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Old May 11, 2007 | 02:35 PM
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Most buyers of this new GT-R, likely won't have much knowledge (if any) of it's heritage.

Those that DO know, probably won't car as much of that "heritage" is with the old/discontinued RB series engine.

Those that don't know, won't give a crap anyway

Personally, the thought of bringing a GT-R to a NISSAN dealer to get serviced or diagnosed makes me shutter. 90% of them can't work on a maxima right, much less high end GT-R.
 
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Old May 11, 2007 | 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeff92se
Most buyers of this new GT-R, likely won't have much knowledge (if any) of it's heritage.
There's no way you can know this or even have any indication of this being true. Definitely sounds like it came out of your *** champ.

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Those that DO know, probably won't car as much of that "heritage" is with the old/discontinued RB series engine.
Once again, how do you know? If it's a GT-R I don't think many will care if it has a different engine. More RB bashing by Jeff.

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Those that don't know, won't give a crap anyway
Once again, you don't know this unless you speak on behalf of all potential GT-R buyers fanboy.

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Personally, the thought of bringing a GT-R to a NISSAN dealer to get serviced or diagnosed makes me shutter. 90% of them can't work on a maxima right, much less high end GT-R.
I definitely agree with this. I would hope everyone would find a decent tuning shop or a shop that they've delt with before a number of times to maintain and increase the potential of this new model. Who knows though. Maybe Nissan will step up with their mechanics or only use 1 or two mechanics trained specifically on the new GT-R's to work on them.
 
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Old May 11, 2007 | 03:21 PM
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Yeah, and how fast is the evo and how fast is the sti and even the new Z06? Consider the pricing there and you could have thought before they all came out they would be more expensive. Just because a car is freaking fast doesn't mean that it will be priced insanely high. Also this is a very old magazine article (at least 2 months old) from a company that actively photochops their pictures and bases "rumors" as fact in their print. Also this is a NISSAN, nobody will pay 160k for a NISSAN. They are even pushing it to put this car in the low 70's price range, but they'll probably have no problems because the the GT-R's heratige. This is a forum. If you can't deal with "AOL kiddie speak" then you can't deal hardly anything that you read here. LOLZ!!!!!
If you want anyone to even read what you post you may want to cut out the run-on-sentence gibberish.

Your point is not taken.
 
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Old May 11, 2007 | 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeff92se
Most buyers of this new GT-R, likely won't have much knowledge (if any) of it's heritage.
You underestimate the market.

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Those that DO know, probably won't car as much of that "heritage" is with the old/discontinued RB series engine.
Oh really? I *DO* know, and I also *DO* know that a car is not all about a specific engine.

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Those that don't know, won't give a crap anyway
I can recommend any number of Marketing 101 textbooks for you to read to catch up to the rest of us who get how brand-marketing works.

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Personally, the thought of bringing a GT-R to a NISSAN dealer to get serviced or diagnosed makes me shutter. 90% of them can't work on a maxima right, much less high end GT-R.
That's the first intelligent thing you've said.
 
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Old May 11, 2007 | 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by 350Zed
You underestimate the market.
I hope. But I doubt it. Likely, Nissan will splatter the commericals with this "heritage" and that will be the extent of 90% of the buying public's knowledge. Most care about how it looks, how much hp and how it handles.

Oh really? I *DO* know, and I also *DO* know that a car is not all about a specific engine.
But do you care?

I can recommend any number of Marketing 101 textbooks for you to read to catch up to the rest of us who get how brand-marketing works.
Really? Then you need to have Nissan/Infiniti read them. Because as of today, both brands have failed to sell a high end car. aka Q45....


That's the first intelligent thing you've said.
Actually it's the 2nd
 
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Old May 11, 2007 | 04:05 PM
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There's no way you can know this or even have any indication of this being true. Definitely sounds like it came out of your *** champ.
Then how can you state they WILL sell based on heritage??

Once again, how do you know? If it's a GT-R I don't think many will care if it has a different engine. More RB bashing by Jeff.
It's a guess, just LIKE YOUR statements. Pot Kettle?

Once again, you don't know this unless you speak on behalf of all potential GT-R buyers fanboy.
And you do know?? Please


I definitely agree with this. I would hope everyone would find a decent tuning shop or a shop that they've delt with before a number of times to maintain and increase the potential of this new model.
Ain't no way a GT-R owner is going to take their brand new car to someone OTHER than the dealer while it's under warranty. Maybe 10% will (see that? It's a guess Justin. Know what that means?)


Who knows though. Maybe Nissan will step up with their mechanics or only use 1 or two mechanics trained specifically on the new GT-R's to work on them.
1 or 2? They will be busy. Either that or you're not putting much faith on the sales numbers
 
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Old May 11, 2007 | 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by b00stedjustin
Also this is a NISSAN, nobody will pay 160k for a NISSAN. They are even pushing it to put this car in the low 70's price range, but they'll probably have no problems because the the GT-R's heratige. !!!!
And you know this how? YOu are speaking on the behalf of all potential GT-R owners? Talking out of your A$$ again?
 
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Old May 11, 2007 | 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by 350Zed
If you want anyone to even read what you post you may want to cut out the run-on-sentence gibberish.

Your point is not taken.
I really don't care about gramar chief on a forum. I'm just wasting time and hardly ever re-read what I write. I love it how people attack your writing but have no counter-argument lol.
 

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Old May 11, 2007 | 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by 350Zed
If you want anyone to even read what you post you may want to cut out the run-on-sentence gibberish.

Your point is not taken.
 
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Old May 11, 2007 | 04:13 PM
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And you know this how? YOu are speaking on the behalf of all potential GT-R owners? Talking out of your A$$ again?
No that is you (see above fanboy). Look at how successful the NSX was. It was as fast as the vette at the time and yet sales were horrible. See I use actual factual backgrounds to form my opinions not like you boss.
 
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Old May 11, 2007 | 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by b00stedjustin
No that is you (see above fanboy). Look at how successful the NSX was. It was as fast as the vette at the time and yet sales were horrible. See I use actual factual backgrounds to form my opinions not like you boss.
1) WTF does this have to do with NISSAN and the GTR?!?! How does this illustrate your point in ANY WAY?? If anything it supports mine Honda didn't sell to many of these based in THEIR racing heritage. Which it has much more presense in the USA vs Nissan.
2) I don't remember the price but it wasn't particularly fast but it was expensive. But it packed alot of important tech. Honda didn't produce the NSX to compete with Corvette sales. It was a loss leader. Not that you would understand.

Anyhoo. Even the 375hp ZR-1 Corvette retailed for about $30,000. The NSX had only about 270hp and retailed for close to $50,000+. What was I supposed to be comparing again?
 

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Old May 11, 2007 | 04:30 PM
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1) WTF does this have to do with NISSAN and the GTR?!?! How does this illustrate your point in ANY WAY?? If anything it supports mine Honda didn't sell to many of these based in THEIR racing heritage. Which it has much more presense in the USA vs Nissan. It also retailed for $55-$60k.
Ummm, think about it champ. It directly correlates to another of the Japanese supercars which had a very weak sales streak for years based on it's price. It retailed for over 90 champ. My point was if you read what I wrote previously that even with a strong racing heratage (honda has an insanely strong one with the NSX) I would think the GT-R would still have a hard time selling in what were NSX prices. Granted the GT-R will have near twice the power of the NSX lol


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2) I don't remember the price but it wasn't particularly fast but it was expensive. But it packed alot of important tech. Honda didn't produce the NSX to compete with Corvette sales. It was a loss leader. Not that you would understand.
1. Do you even have a college degree budd? Yes loss leader is extremely basic an you can learn it even if you didn't attend so that's probably how you know of it. How do you know what the Honda's selling strategy was? You don't so you can't possibly conclude it was a loss leader. P.S. a loss leader would be how Best Buy and Circiut City sell DVD's and CD's (at a loss) to get people in the store to purchase other products in which the stores can make an actual profit. Tell me how the NSX could seen in this light?

2. The NSX was and is fast. It was faster than the vette (when the NSX was introduced and was being tested) in a straight line and on the track. I know they weren't intended to compete with the Vette, but that's how they were compared via the magazines.

3. None of this in anyway strengthens your argument. Unless you are completely agreeing with me boss.

4. Once again Jeff, not even are you wrong, but you didn't pull up any of you B.S. google info crap to attempt to argue with.
 

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Old May 11, 2007 | 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by b00stedjustin
Ummm, think about it champ. It directly correlates to another of the Japanese supercars which had a very weak sales streak for years based on it's price. It retailed for over 90 champ. My point was if you read what I wrote previously that even with a strong racing heratage (honda has an insanely strong one with the NSX) I would think the GT-R would still have a hard time selling in what were NSX prices. Granted the GT-R will have near twice the power of the NSX lol
So now you are saying Nissan will have a hard time selling? Yes I agree here. Remember you're the one that said Nissan will sell GT-Rs based on heritage. Based on what? Honda's record with the NSX?


1. Do you even have a college degree budd? Yes loss leader is extremely basic an you can learn it even if you didn't attend so that's probably how you know of it.
Stupid

2. The NSX was and is fast. It was faster than the vette (when the NSX was introduced and was being tested) in a straight line and on the track. I know they weren't intended to compete with the Vette, but that's how they were compared via the magazines.

3. Once again Jeff, not even are you wrong, but you didn't pull up any of you B.S. google info crap to attempt to argue with.
Arguments are oh so hard to continue when facts get in the way

1991 Acura NSX 5.8 14.4

ZR-1 Corvette that was cheaper. 0-60 in the low to mid 4s. 1/4 in the high 12s.

Hell, the NSX wasn't even faster than the normal 6sp coupe of that vintage!

HOW was the nsx faster again??
 

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Old May 11, 2007 | 04:45 PM
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[QUOTE=Jeff92se]So now you are saying Nissan will have a hard time selling? Yes I agree here.

yes, if the price was 90k or higher.

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Stupid
Yes your point or lack there of is. But you are a moron!!!

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Arguments are oh so hard to continue when facts get in the way

1991 Acura NSX 5.8 14.4

ZR-1 Corvette that was cheaper. 0-60 in the low to mid 4s. 1/4 in the high 12s.

Hell, the NSX wasn't even faster than the normal 6sp coupe of that vintage!

HOW was the nsx faster again??
I wasn't talking about the fasted corvette available that sold in very few numbers. I was talking about the standard C4. rolleyes
 
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Old May 11, 2007 | 04:52 PM
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When talk ****, you might want to make sure wtf you are talking about.

Even though the NSX was ALSO a limited production car. And EVEN THOUGH the NSX's price was closer to the ZR-1, I'll even use the C4 for ya.


1991 Chevrolet Corvette C4
Year 1991
Make Chevrolet
Model Corvette C4
Engine Location Front
Drive Type Rear Wheel
Production Years for Series 1984 - 1996
Price $31,979.00
Weight 3120 lbs | 1415.2 kg

Performance
0-60 mph 5.7 seconds.
1/4 Mile 14.1 seconds.



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So now you are saying Nissan will have a hard time selling? Yes I agree here.

yes, if the price was 90k or higher.


Yes your point or lack there of is. But you are a moron!!!



I wasn't talking about the fasted corvette available that sold in very few numbers. I was talking about the standard C4. rolleyes
 
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