CrystalGuard Help
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CrystalGuard Help
Hey,
So the other day (Sunday night) when I clayed my car and then used 3M Rubbing Compound, I washed the car again and applied CrystalGuard Quick. At first I felt like an idiot just spraying this bottle of stuff all over the car and spreading with a MF towel, but then when I rinsed the car down again there was strong beading everywhere. Since this was my first time using CrystalGuard Quick and I really wanted to see what it can do, I used the whole bottle (small size) on the car so I would make sure to get the side skirts and other harder-to-reach areas.
Anyways, my car slept in the garage over night and then over the next few days it has been raining a lot in NJ so I was driving my car through a lot of rain. On Thursday, I decided to give the car a car wash and when I was spraying water on the body, there was little or no water beading at all! The hood and trunk lid were not beading water at all and the side panels were barely beading water (very slowly). I dried the car off and ran my hand over parts of the body and the car just doesn't have that smooth freshly-waxed feel to it.
It's as if the CrystalGuard is pretty much completely gone after only like 3-4 days. Did I do something wrong? I used CG Quick as a standalone product and I used up the whole small bottle and I followed the directions properly. Why would the CG Quick be gone so soon?
If anyone can give me some more tips or pointers or let me know if there was something I did wrong, I'd really like to give the product another try.
MrElussive
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So the other day (Sunday night) when I clayed my car and then used 3M Rubbing Compound, I washed the car again and applied CrystalGuard Quick. At first I felt like an idiot just spraying this bottle of stuff all over the car and spreading with a MF towel, but then when I rinsed the car down again there was strong beading everywhere. Since this was my first time using CrystalGuard Quick and I really wanted to see what it can do, I used the whole bottle (small size) on the car so I would make sure to get the side skirts and other harder-to-reach areas.
Anyways, my car slept in the garage over night and then over the next few days it has been raining a lot in NJ so I was driving my car through a lot of rain. On Thursday, I decided to give the car a car wash and when I was spraying water on the body, there was little or no water beading at all! The hood and trunk lid were not beading water at all and the side panels were barely beading water (very slowly). I dried the car off and ran my hand over parts of the body and the car just doesn't have that smooth freshly-waxed feel to it.
It's as if the CrystalGuard is pretty much completely gone after only like 3-4 days. Did I do something wrong? I used CG Quick as a standalone product and I used up the whole small bottle and I followed the directions properly. Why would the CG Quick be gone so soon?
If anyone can give me some more tips or pointers or let me know if there was something I did wrong, I'd really like to give the product another try.
MrElussive
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Re: CrystalGuard Help
I'm not too familiar with this Crystal Guard Quick product but it is similar to Eagle One's Wax-As-U-Dry...it seems like the same idea. I used the eagle one product last week before NJ was hit with the perfect storm and rained for days. I love coming out to my car every morning (that sits outside) and still seeing water beading off like a new coat of wax was just put on. This stuff really helps and definitely lasts at least a couple weeks considering the weather it's been through the past few days in central jersey.
Let me know how it works out, and I'd recommend the eagle one to everyone.
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Let me know how it works out, and I'd recommend the eagle one to everyone.
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Re: CrystalGuard Help
MrElussive:
Go to Crystal Guard's website and tell them your story - they are eagerly trying to expand their business in the USA and will likely be really helpful. They may even comp you on a replacement bottle, just to stand behind their product. I used Crystal Guard Pro 2 months ago, and mine is still beading just fine - but I'm still wary and watching, because it's too early to be sure of anything. I also have some Crystal Guard Quick, which I was told to use as a "tuneup" every 4 months or so.
Keep us posted on this - these guys are sponsors of our website, so we want to give them the benefit of the doubt, but don't want to endorse their product blindly, either !!
(FYI - I spoke to their rep on the phone a couple of times, as well as exchanged e-mails - he tries to be as helpful as possible, in my experience. My son also went to their shop in Mountain View, California to pick up the product directly, and he says there really are several awesome looking exotic cars on the premises, just like their video shows).
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Go to Crystal Guard's website and tell them your story - they are eagerly trying to expand their business in the USA and will likely be really helpful. They may even comp you on a replacement bottle, just to stand behind their product. I used Crystal Guard Pro 2 months ago, and mine is still beading just fine - but I'm still wary and watching, because it's too early to be sure of anything. I also have some Crystal Guard Quick, which I was told to use as a "tuneup" every 4 months or so.
Keep us posted on this - these guys are sponsors of our website, so we want to give them the benefit of the doubt, but don't want to endorse their product blindly, either !!
(FYI - I spoke to their rep on the phone a couple of times, as well as exchanged e-mails - he tries to be as helpful as possible, in my experience. My son also went to their shop in Mountain View, California to pick up the product directly, and he says there really are several awesome looking exotic cars on the premises, just like their video shows).
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Re: CrystalGuard Help
mr E... when i apply and spread the CG quick, i don't rinse the car down again. i just wait until it starts to get a little hazy and then "buff" the haze away. scrap the manufacturer's instructions. i follow the ones from this forum. i think that when you rinsed your car down the 2nd time after CG application, you may have also rinsed away (and maybe wiped off, depending on how you dried) most of the CG, since it takes overnight for it to bond to your paint. just 1 coat of CG got me through an entire midwest winter. and if you read the other CG threads, you'll see what my CG'ed car looks like after a day of rain. i have no doubt that CG quick will last you more than 3-4 days. good luck.
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Thanks for the responses, everyone. Normally I would just toss it aside considering my results, but CrystalGuard doesn't seem like just a "marketing" product. I will e-mail them and tell them what happened, maybe they can diagnose the problem. I e-mailed them a couple times about using CG Quick as a standalone product and they said I'd only need to apply a new coat of CG Quick once every 2 months (and it should last very well until then).
I'll let you all know what's up when I get a response, thanks for the replies. =)
MrElussive
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I'll let you all know what's up when I get a response, thanks for the replies. =)
MrElussive
03 G35C 6MT
Re: CrystalGuard Help
I believe that CG has a recommended setup / bond time before it should be washed down. For CG Quick, I think the time period is something like 24-48 hours. So perhaps it rained hard on your car in less time and the CG Quick got washed off?
Re: CrystalGuard Help
Hey MrE,
Don't give up on Crystal Guard! It's definitely a fine product and does a good job of protecting your paint.
I can't believe you used a whole bottle!! what are you made of money??
that stuff's expensive man! most people here usually dilute it with some water in a spray bottle.
Try giving it some time to bond to your paint next time. You should also read the CG website for more info... I think they say that CG reacts with water and creates a "crystal layer" on your paint.
good luck!

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Don't give up on Crystal Guard! It's definitely a fine product and does a good job of protecting your paint.
I can't believe you used a whole bottle!! what are you made of money??
that stuff's expensive man! most people here usually dilute it with some water in a spray bottle.
Try giving it some time to bond to your paint next time. You should also read the CG website for more info... I think they say that CG reacts with water and creates a "crystal layer" on your paint.
good luck!

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I got the e-mail back. James Campos stated that the product is not supposed to bead like a wax and it makes the water bead when you first apply it because the chemical hasn't fully cured yet. Also, since the stuff is not a wax (it's a glass-based polymer sealant), it's not supposed to make the paint feel smooth like car wax.
After the product has cured, the CG just "sheets" the water off your car and makes it look like it's dry again. If this is the case, then the CG Quick should still be on my car because I made no actual attempts to get rid of it. I applied the stuff and let the car sit overnight and then I drove it for a few days, and then I went to wash the car and I saw that the car wasn't beading the water and I got scared/disappointed, which was obviously wrong on my part.
Next week I'm going to use my orbital buffer and start everything over. I'm going to apply 3M Rubbing Compound (with the buffer) to get some etched-in water spots out along with the other paint imperfections. Then I'll use the 3M Swirl Mark Remover (with the buffer) to polish up the paint and hopefully get rid of those swirls, and I'll seal that up with CG Quick.
The only problem is how to apply the CG Quick. After using the two 3M products, you're supposed to seal up the paint with a car wax/polish right after but CG Quick's application process requires you to wash the car first. What do I do in this case??
MrElussive
03 G35C 6MT
After the product has cured, the CG just "sheets" the water off your car and makes it look like it's dry again. If this is the case, then the CG Quick should still be on my car because I made no actual attempts to get rid of it. I applied the stuff and let the car sit overnight and then I drove it for a few days, and then I went to wash the car and I saw that the car wasn't beading the water and I got scared/disappointed, which was obviously wrong on my part.
Next week I'm going to use my orbital buffer and start everything over. I'm going to apply 3M Rubbing Compound (with the buffer) to get some etched-in water spots out along with the other paint imperfections. Then I'll use the 3M Swirl Mark Remover (with the buffer) to polish up the paint and hopefully get rid of those swirls, and I'll seal that up with CG Quick.
The only problem is how to apply the CG Quick. After using the two 3M products, you're supposed to seal up the paint with a car wax/polish right after but CG Quick's application process requires you to wash the car first. What do I do in this case??
MrElussive
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Okay, I just thought of this; CG Quick reminds of me of the Mr. Clean AutoDry CarWash. It makes the paint not feel smooth, and it makes water "sheet off" instead of bead up. This makes me reconsider the Mr. Clean AutoDry CarWash that I dislike.....
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Re: CrystalGuard Help
ok, you're giving me 2nd thoughts about ordering cg quick... hrmmm... I thought it was an excellent product until you mentioned that you had problems with it. I really don't wanna go the zaino route, too many steps and I really don't have time to go with zaino
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Welll here is how i do it just to maintain
1) wash with mild soap (meguiars gold class)
2) dry removing all water
3) one hand have CG the other a spray bottle with distilled H20, spray some h20 and then a touch of CG, spread and wipe for each section
4) continue for all sections and you can even use the excess in the microfiber towel to go over spots you have done already...basically like 2 or 3 coats in one application
5) let it sit for 2 hours or so done wipe anything off yet, come back after 2 hours and spray the car with distilled h20 and remove all excess...
I have done two coats like this and after the first one it beaded like crazy after a rainstorm and i didnt even do that good of a job, after my last weekends application i did a much better job on it and it feels like glass and when the next storm hits ill let you know about the beading and take pics...
i dont know why people are saying it doesnt bead or feel smooth, my applications do both...weird...ill get pics after a storm though...
BTW i got these directions from My350z.com, some tips and tricks the guys didnt release out to everyone...so i dont know if the way im applying makes the difference but sure as hell mine works beautifully...
if its your first app, make sure you wash with dawn and claybar, then remove swirls before CGing...
see Sedan Forum for new pics of my car after this weekends application, or here is a link for you lazy asses..=)
https://g35driver.com/forums/showfla...sed&sb=5&part=
2003 G35S 5AT<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small"><EM>Edited by brabus151 on 07/20/04 03:25 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
1) wash with mild soap (meguiars gold class)
2) dry removing all water
3) one hand have CG the other a spray bottle with distilled H20, spray some h20 and then a touch of CG, spread and wipe for each section
4) continue for all sections and you can even use the excess in the microfiber towel to go over spots you have done already...basically like 2 or 3 coats in one application
5) let it sit for 2 hours or so done wipe anything off yet, come back after 2 hours and spray the car with distilled h20 and remove all excess...
I have done two coats like this and after the first one it beaded like crazy after a rainstorm and i didnt even do that good of a job, after my last weekends application i did a much better job on it and it feels like glass and when the next storm hits ill let you know about the beading and take pics...
i dont know why people are saying it doesnt bead or feel smooth, my applications do both...weird...ill get pics after a storm though...
BTW i got these directions from My350z.com, some tips and tricks the guys didnt release out to everyone...so i dont know if the way im applying makes the difference but sure as hell mine works beautifully...
if its your first app, make sure you wash with dawn and claybar, then remove swirls before CGing...
see Sedan Forum for new pics of my car after this weekends application, or here is a link for you lazy asses..=)
https://g35driver.com/forums/showfla...sed&sb=5&part=
2003 G35S 5AT<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small"><EM>Edited by brabus151 on 07/20/04 03:25 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
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Hmm... Your account of what you experienced with CG Quick goes against the statements made by Jim Campos from Crystal Guard, Mr. Elusive, and my own account. The first application will make the water bead, but like Mr. Elusive and what Jim Campos said, after CG has cured,the water does not bead, but sheets off the panels. I see this mostly on the hood with little beading on the roof and sides of the car. I've been using the following method to apply CG Quick:
1. Wash car with Meguiar's Gold Class
2. While car is wet, I spray CG Quick in sections and spread with MF towel
3. Rinse with Mr. Clean Autodry filtered spray
This roughly follows the manufacturer's directions and I try to do this about once a month. At first, I was concerned with the water not beading, but I was convinced that CG is on their protecting my car after a few roadchip experiences. I've seen a marked improvement in the ability to resist chips and scratches from highway debris. Not to say that it is impervious to all chips, but I've been through a few close calls and have been pleasantly surprised to see that it wasn't as bad as I would have expected without CG.
I think eventually, we will all turn to Zaino as swirls, road chips, and scratches are inevitable. For me, I'll be on CG until I finish my two big bottles of CG Quick.
Outside of CG is my complaint about the glass on the car. It is WAY TOO SOFT! I already have a small pit from some debris on my windshield and a small nick on my passenger side window. What kind of crap glass do they use? If it's a safety feature, I'd rather have the harder glass!
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1. Wash car with Meguiar's Gold Class
2. While car is wet, I spray CG Quick in sections and spread with MF towel
3. Rinse with Mr. Clean Autodry filtered spray
This roughly follows the manufacturer's directions and I try to do this about once a month. At first, I was concerned with the water not beading, but I was convinced that CG is on their protecting my car after a few roadchip experiences. I've seen a marked improvement in the ability to resist chips and scratches from highway debris. Not to say that it is impervious to all chips, but I've been through a few close calls and have been pleasantly surprised to see that it wasn't as bad as I would have expected without CG.
I think eventually, we will all turn to Zaino as swirls, road chips, and scratches are inevitable. For me, I'll be on CG until I finish my two big bottles of CG Quick.
Outside of CG is my complaint about the glass on the car. It is WAY TOO SOFT! I already have a small pit from some debris on my windshield and a small nick on my passenger side window. What kind of crap glass do they use? If it's a safety feature, I'd rather have the harder glass!
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Re: CrystalGuard Help
Jim Campos here....my first post on this site....
Wow, I must say I'm a bit impressed with all the analysis of our CrystalGuard product. I will say that I have noticed people apply our products in many different ways, but the two methods described both work. I'm not sure if anyone has tried the new version of CG Quick, but this stuff is just amazing and from our experiences, it does not haze very much. That being the case, I don't think there is a need to wait for the car to cure before you rinse off the residue.
The effect you should have is a sheeting effect, very similar to RainX. The car should almost dry itself because water doesn't seem to even stay on the paint. It almost looks like it evaporates off (strange analogy, but once you try it, you'll understand what I mean). I think the one thing any CG user will say is how easy it is to maintain the car's shine...Zaino seems to be a long and drawn out process in comparison.
If you have any questions, I'll be happy to answer them...
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small"><EM>Edited by diamondjim2216 on 07/21/04 03:50 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
Wow, I must say I'm a bit impressed with all the analysis of our CrystalGuard product. I will say that I have noticed people apply our products in many different ways, but the two methods described both work. I'm not sure if anyone has tried the new version of CG Quick, but this stuff is just amazing and from our experiences, it does not haze very much. That being the case, I don't think there is a need to wait for the car to cure before you rinse off the residue.
The effect you should have is a sheeting effect, very similar to RainX. The car should almost dry itself because water doesn't seem to even stay on the paint. It almost looks like it evaporates off (strange analogy, but once you try it, you'll understand what I mean). I think the one thing any CG user will say is how easy it is to maintain the car's shine...Zaino seems to be a long and drawn out process in comparison.
If you have any questions, I'll be happy to answer them...
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small"><EM>Edited by diamondjim2216 on 07/21/04 03:50 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
Re: CrystalGuard Help
i agree with Jim's experiences. I just received my bottle of the new+improved CG-Quick and will be applying it on Saturday. Will post pics and blog.
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