You mean education to decrease poverty does not stop or hinder crime? Are you naive enough to not think that bringing community service to an impoverished community to increase their quality of life won't decrease the crime there? Do you honestly think that having more policemen per capita in a bad neighborhood does not decrease crime rates? What a short sighted approach to a complicated problem when 1 in 100 americans is in prison. 1 in 15 blacks in prison. 1 in 36 hispanics in prison. Luckily others who have wide criminal policy experience and who run this country's law and order don't have such a short sighted approach... or do they?

Your rhetoric about protecting yourself from crime is purely about fear. You put on your coat when there's a high percentage that there will be rain outside. What kind of percentage do you think there is for you being attacked in the street and needing to use a weapon? You don't wear your coat on a warm sunny day do you?

what is the percentage of the time that an individual walks or drives around and gets attacked? is it a significant percentage? is it more than auto accidents happen for car insurance that all you CHL proponents love to compare it to? is it more than the odds of people getting sick for health insruance that all you CHL proponents love to compare it to? is it more than fires in homes for fire insurance that all you CHL proponents love to compare it to? of course not. to think that more people get attacked and have the need for a CHL is preposterous when compared to any of the things CHL proponents have proposed.

let's get away from the rhetoric and talk about pragmatism and logic for a moment. let's talk sense instead of fear.

 

Can I ask...what are your reasons AGAINST why I should have a CHL and how does it affect your life?

 

I have absolutely no qualms with you having a CHL.

I have only reasons against the idea that if you don't have a CHL then you're somehow a sheep as opposed to a sheep dog as the article suggests. My differences only lie with that article.

 

The article was written by a vietnam veteran, so the level of patriotism and "gung ho" bravado is prevelant to a level that you can almost taste.
I won't argue that.
It is clearly written from the point of view of a person that would be considered full time sheep dog.
I don't have a problem with you disagreeing with the article.

I do feel (as I think Moog did above) that you have a problem with those of us who choose to obtain a CHL, and carry a weapon.

The insurance bit.... it does come into play. If I don't have car insurance, or health insurance, it will cost me money. Money for tickets, money for un-subsidised (sp) doctors visits and time off work. But by not having the insurance of a CHL, IMO, the cost could be my life.
Regardless of the percentage chance that it could happen, I would rather have it, and use it, than not and possibly lose my life.... and yes, while you maybe very excited by the notion, I do have a natural fear of dying.

I'm mean think, if I died, I couldn't sit here and debate with you forever and ever........


Man this is fun...


WTF! I have a college education, how am i supposed to understand this???

 

Back on topic...anyone want to go to the range?

 

heh, sorry bout that...

I'd be down, but you're up north arn't you?
Kind of a haul.

There is a range 5 min from where I work (Alpine gun range, Mansfield)
But that would be a haul for you fo sho...

 

I may check out a range in Garland or Plano.

 

I'll go if it is around Plano sometime. I am considering getting a CHL too, but I would like to practice some. I have not been to a range in 12+ years....

 

I have my CHL. I highly recommend taking it at Texas Handgun Academy (they have their own website). They're on Plano Rd. just norh of LBJ. All they do is teach that and several other similar classes. I think it was only $99 and the instructors were great. I shoot at The Bullet Trap in Plano. Buy a membership and you'll save a lot of money, plus they have the best selection of handguns and accessories in the metroplex - bar none. If you know exactly what you want to buy, I know a dealer that will beat anyones price on new guns. PM me and I'll hook you up.
Owning a gun and carrying it legally is your second amendment right. You'll be glad you did once you do it. All of the bad guys are armed, so why shouldn't us good guys be as well? If you haven't done so, look into the Castle Doctrine that Texas just passed into law last Oct. or Nov. Even more protection for those of us that choose to bear arms.

 

Remember to say "Don't make me shoot you"

Took the class yesterday...it was long but well worth it. Now the waiting game for the paperwork.

 

^^^
Its a heluva wait too...

I still haven't gotten anything back.... Its been over 6 weeks. I'm starting to wonder if they even got my application

 

I thought they gave you a tracking # or status # to check on it? I was told 6-8 weeks by my instructor.

 

You get a number that they have to give you to process it, but they tell you not to call or check the status.

I may do it anyway. Its been a minute.

 

 

I never did like taking pictures anyways!