German Castrol Syntec 5W-30?
#18
09-14-2007, 03:54 PM
Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: NY
Posts: 2,381
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
M1 0w-40 is a group IV.
And only a handfull that met Porsche, Benz specs.
http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?t=258663
What is a Group 4 base stock, what is a PAO, and what oils use it?
These are oils whose base stocks come from man-made hydrocarbons known as polyalphaolefins, or PAO’s. They are synthesized from ethylene gas, which is a byproduct of refined crude oil. PAO base stocks are prized for their flexibility in making oils with a large viscosity spread that perform well over a long oil change interval and under high stress. PAO oils are also more stable in the presence of water and moisture than Esters. In order to be considered a Group 4 oil, the base stock must contain no oil of a grade below Group 4. They must either be a full PAO base stock, or they may use a PAO base stock combined with an oil from Group 5, such as Esters. Examples include most Amsoil oils, Mobil 1 0W-40, Elf Excellium, Royal Purple, some of Motul’s 8100 line-up, and Eneos’ performance line-up. The high performance of the PAO base stock also lends itself well to high stress and high temperature conditions, such as racing. Many racing oils are some type of Group 4 oil, and typically also work very well for street driven cars that see track use or are running some type of forced induction. Group 4 30wt oils tend to have NOACK scores between 6% and 9%.
These are oils whose base stocks come from man-made hydrocarbons known as polyalphaolefins, or PAO’s. They are synthesized from ethylene gas, which is a byproduct of refined crude oil. PAO base stocks are prized for their flexibility in making oils with a large viscosity spread that perform well over a long oil change interval and under high stress. PAO oils are also more stable in the presence of water and moisture than Esters. In order to be considered a Group 4 oil, the base stock must contain no oil of a grade below Group 4. They must either be a full PAO base stock, or they may use a PAO base stock combined with an oil from Group 5, such as Esters. Examples include most Amsoil oils, Mobil 1 0W-40, Elf Excellium, Royal Purple, some of Motul’s 8100 line-up, and Eneos’ performance line-up. The high performance of the PAO base stock also lends itself well to high stress and high temperature conditions, such as racing. Many racing oils are some type of Group 4 oil, and typically also work very well for street driven cars that see track use or are running some type of forced induction. Group 4 30wt oils tend to have NOACK scores between 6% and 9%.
And only a handfull that met Porsche, Benz specs.
The M1 0W-40 is marked as a European Formula. It is standard in Porsche and Mercedes-Benz engines. I don't know if it comes in BMW engines, but it is one of the few that meet BMW LL-01 specs.
#19
09-14-2007, 03:56 PM
#21
09-14-2007, 03:59 PM
#22
09-14-2007, 05:22 PM
Originally Posted by AthenG
So have you confirmed yours
Originally Posted by Jeff92se
Here's a question. What difference would it make to your engine if you used group III vs group IV?
For the same price as M1, I think I will stick to the GC 0w-30.
Thanks for clearing up the original question.
#24
09-14-2007, 07:26 PM
Originally Posted by G-4ME
I guess I just assumed since every article states Mobil1 in general is GrpIII and never stated anything different about 0w-40.
Have you seen the oil analysis charts? Group IV based oils have shown better wear #'s than Group III. If Mobil1 0W40 is really a group IV, then that would explain why that particular weight has better wear numbers than other M1 oils.
Thanks for clearing up the original question.
Have you seen the oil analysis charts? Group IV based oils have shown better wear #'s than Group III. If Mobil1 0W40 is really a group IV, then that would explain why that particular weight has better wear numbers than other M1 oils.
Thanks for clearing up the original question.
#27
09-16-2007, 05:18 PM
#28
09-16-2007, 06:29 PM
Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: mass
Posts: 38
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by redlude97
If oil is oil, why don't you put vegetable oil in your engine and see how it does?
#29
09-16-2007, 07:26 PM
Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: NY
Posts: 2,381
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by tommyg35
oil is oil it all comes out of the same hole countless threads aboute oil lmao
http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?t=258663
#30
09-17-2007, 05:50 AM
Originally Posted by tommyg35
There is car's out there that use vegetable oil as fuel smart ***.Are you one of those guys that thinks your going to get a bullet proof motor depending on what brand oil you use or maybe you will get 10hp from one brand to the other.
, it doesn't use vegetable oil either, its converted to diesel fuel. But you sound like an expert, enlighten us with your knowledge about oils.