Leaking Oil UR replica Crank Pulley *HELP*
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Leaking Oil UR replica Crank Pulley *HELP*
Hello All,
Got some UR replica pulleys from another member here, it has the alternator pulley, water pump pulley, and Crank Pulley. I did search but found no one having problems with leaking oil from the crank.. and yup I'm taking a risk posting about this since I know there is always a debate about these pulleys.. So before I begin, please no flaming or thread jacking....
Anyway installed all 3 pulleys on Saturday, drove it that night, noticed the throttle response was very good, engine felt so smooth and car diffinately felt stronger, but didnt floor it or anything that night. My mechanic made it to 35 foot lb specs. So drove it sunday then on Monday it was a very hot day around 93 degrees F, so decided to park in the garage and open the hood to air it out.
Then I noticed that oil was all over the place, especially the splash guard and on the belt as well. Let it sit for awhile an hour, and noticed a small little puddle of oil inside the crank pulley meaing in the center of it. Called up my mechanic he suspected probably the crank seal broke while installing cuz he said he kept on taking it out and putting it in making sure it fits properly.
So today he changed the crank seal, ran it in the air on the lift for 10 minutes no leaks. BUT! when I brought it home it was leaking again! oil on the splash guard and int he middle of the crank pulley again.
My mechanic thinks it might be the bolt, he is thinking maybe we need an aftermarket or different bolt for the crank, not sure but need some advice here. Worse comes the worse gonna install the stock pulleys back in.
So any advice would help I can answer questions to the best of my ability, also was using gates belts as well.
Got some UR replica pulleys from another member here, it has the alternator pulley, water pump pulley, and Crank Pulley. I did search but found no one having problems with leaking oil from the crank.. and yup I'm taking a risk posting about this since I know there is always a debate about these pulleys.. So before I begin, please no flaming or thread jacking....
Anyway installed all 3 pulleys on Saturday, drove it that night, noticed the throttle response was very good, engine felt so smooth and car diffinately felt stronger, but didnt floor it or anything that night. My mechanic made it to 35 foot lb specs. So drove it sunday then on Monday it was a very hot day around 93 degrees F, so decided to park in the garage and open the hood to air it out.
Then I noticed that oil was all over the place, especially the splash guard and on the belt as well. Let it sit for awhile an hour, and noticed a small little puddle of oil inside the crank pulley meaing in the center of it. Called up my mechanic he suspected probably the crank seal broke while installing cuz he said he kept on taking it out and putting it in making sure it fits properly.
So today he changed the crank seal, ran it in the air on the lift for 10 minutes no leaks. BUT! when I brought it home it was leaking again! oil on the splash guard and int he middle of the crank pulley again.
My mechanic thinks it might be the bolt, he is thinking maybe we need an aftermarket or different bolt for the crank, not sure but need some advice here. Worse comes the worse gonna install the stock pulleys back in.
So any advice would help I can answer questions to the best of my ability, also was using gates belts as well.
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Ok I see what your saying.
Well here is another thing, the instructions say to torque it to about 36 foot pounds max, and then rotate it 60 degrees???? the instructions look exactly like the UR instructions.
Anyway my mechanic just torqued it 35 foot pounds and didnt rotate it the additional 60 degrees, but used a degree wheel to do it?? <-- kinda confused on that part. He said if he did that it will be like 100+ foot pounds on the crank pulley and it might warp or bend the pulley.
anymore ideas?
Well here is another thing, the instructions say to torque it to about 36 foot pounds max, and then rotate it 60 degrees???? the instructions look exactly like the UR instructions.
Anyway my mechanic just torqued it 35 foot pounds and didnt rotate it the additional 60 degrees, but used a degree wheel to do it?? <-- kinda confused on that part. He said if he did that it will be like 100+ foot pounds on the crank pulley and it might warp or bend the pulley.
anymore ideas?
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First things first, the seal needs to be replaced everytime you remove the pulley and the seal shouldn't simply slide out. It should be in there fairly tight. The crank bolt should be torqued to 35 ft/lbs and then rotated another XXdegrees. It basically works out to be something like 130-145 ft/lbs. If the seal fits the way I described, and it's new, and the mechanic is using the correct torque, then the problem lies in the pulley. The shape or depth of the pulley could be off. Also, if the pulley doesn't have a steel sleeve, then the aluminum can flex too much and not give adequate torque on the bolt or seat correctly on the seal and crank. There's nothing wrong with the crank bolt. There's either a problem with the seal, installer, or pulley design or a combo of all those factors. To have a puddle of oil within hours of driving is a major problem.
Last edited by DaveB; 11-02-2007 at 01:22 AM.
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Originally Posted by DaveB
First things first, the seal needs to be replaced everytime you remove the pulley and the seal should simply slide out. It should be in there fairly tight. The crank bolt should be torqued to 35 ft/lbs and then rotated another XXdegrees. It basically works out to be something like 130-145 ft/lbs. If the seal fits the way I described, and it's new, and the mechanic is using the correct torque, then the problem lies in the pulley. The shape or depth of the pulley could be off. Also, if the pulley doesn't have a steel sleeve, then the aluminum can flex too much and not give adequate torque on the bolt or seat correctly on the seal and crank. There's nothing wrong with the crank bolt. There's either a problem with the seal, installer, or pulley design or a combo of all those factors. To have a puddle of oil within hours of driving is a major problem.
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oh well sucks for me stupid NAPA doesnt even have that junk... sucks living on this small island!!! called Guam!!! we have auto shops here but they dont carry the little nitty gritty things that some or very few ppl need...
Who knows maybe NAPA does carry it but the guy i talked to doesnt know jack... well gonna bring it in today and try to get it torqued correctly...
Who knows maybe NAPA does carry it but the guy i talked to doesnt know jack... well gonna bring it in today and try to get it torqued correctly...
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ok here is an update. Took it to the dealer today. Meachanic lifted car in air, had his co worker keep it at 2,500rpm no oil leaks, then when his co worker reved it higher, oil started to squirt/spill out of the center of the cracnk pulley not from the seal.
So what my mechanic did was put RTV (hope spelling is right) on the back side of the pulley, I dont think he put that much. But he found the bolt threads to be wet with oil and was surprised to see oil leaking from the bolt.
Anway he put some RTV at the backside of the pulley and put it in, torqued it to 30 foot pounds, and did the additional 60 degrees. He got is very close to 60 degress since it was hard trying to keep the crank steady.
So far no leaks!! been driving it around all day and been checking often no sign of oil anywhere. will check again tomorrow.
So what my mechanic did was put RTV (hope spelling is right) on the back side of the pulley, I dont think he put that much. But he found the bolt threads to be wet with oil and was surprised to see oil leaking from the bolt.
Anway he put some RTV at the backside of the pulley and put it in, torqued it to 30 foot pounds, and did the additional 60 degrees. He got is very close to 60 degress since it was hard trying to keep the crank steady.
So far no leaks!! been driving it around all day and been checking often no sign of oil anywhere. will check again tomorrow.
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