30+ mpg??
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I was on 350zforum.com and found this thread that claimed 30+mpg by making some mods to the fuel system on a 350z. Does this really work?
Here is the thread:
Posted by: simplewon on December 19, 2007 at 3:16 PM
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Bypass evaporative purge solenoid lines by disconnecting them and plugging them together. Don't fill the fuel tank, only fill to 3/4 max(prevents line from clogging with raw fuel).
Loosen gas cap or replace cap with a vented cap.
Check engine soon light will come on(evaporative purge solenoid code) due to loose, missing or vented cap installed.
Instant 30plus mpg.
To make this Mod selectable. Check evaporative purge solenoid voltage to determine polarity, run a switch to the sol, leaving the factory connections in place. Then simply flip the switch to open the valve and loosen the gas cap.
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Has anyone on this board heard or tried this?
Here is the thread:
Posted by: simplewon on December 19, 2007 at 3:16 PM
This message has been viewed 113 times.
Bypass evaporative purge solenoid lines by disconnecting them and plugging them together. Don't fill the fuel tank, only fill to 3/4 max(prevents line from clogging with raw fuel).
Loosen gas cap or replace cap with a vented cap.
Check engine soon light will come on(evaporative purge solenoid code) due to loose, missing or vented cap installed.
Instant 30plus mpg.
To make this Mod selectable. Check evaporative purge solenoid voltage to determine polarity, run a switch to the sol, leaving the factory connections in place. Then simply flip the switch to open the valve and loosen the gas cap.
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Has anyone on this board heard or tried this?
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Since auto manufacturers pay fines and taxes per vehicle sold based on MPG vs fleet average.
Why would anyone intentionally make [engineer] a vehicle to use more fuel than necessary and to add to monies paid to US government?
Only 31% of the US 2005 4 year degree graduates test fuctionally literate!
2 year graduates were less than 22%
When science is added to the testing mix it drops to 3%.
We can assume that less than 2% of car owners know anything useful about the science of automobiles. And half of those are the technicans who work on them who are also car owners.
Hopefully High Voltage Hybrid cars will help Darwinize the shade tree mechanic world.
Why would anyone intentionally make [engineer] a vehicle to use more fuel than necessary and to add to monies paid to US government?
Only 31% of the US 2005 4 year degree graduates test fuctionally literate!
2 year graduates were less than 22%
When science is added to the testing mix it drops to 3%.
We can assume that less than 2% of car owners know anything useful about the science of automobiles. And half of those are the technicans who work on them who are also car owners.
Hopefully High Voltage Hybrid cars will help Darwinize the shade tree mechanic world.
Last edited by Q45tech; 01-28-2008 at 12:45 PM.
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Originally Posted by Q45tech
Since auto manufacturers pay fines and taxes per vehicle sold based on MPG vs fleet average.
Why would anyone intentionally make [engineer] a vehicle to use more fuel than necessary and to add to monies paid to US government?
Only 31% of the US 2005 4 year degree graduates test fuctionally literate!
2 year graduates were less than 22%
When science is added to the testing mix it drops to 3%.
We can assume that less than 2% of car owners know anything useful about the science of automobiles. And half of those are the technicans who work on them who are also car owners.
Hopefully High Voltage Hybrid cars will help Darwinize the shade tree mechanic world.
Why would anyone intentionally make [engineer] a vehicle to use more fuel than necessary and to add to monies paid to US government?
Only 31% of the US 2005 4 year degree graduates test fuctionally literate!
2 year graduates were less than 22%
When science is added to the testing mix it drops to 3%.
We can assume that less than 2% of car owners know anything useful about the science of automobiles. And half of those are the technicans who work on them who are also car owners.
Hopefully High Voltage Hybrid cars will help Darwinize the shade tree mechanic world.
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Saved this from somewhere (not sure where) but got it from Google at one time when troubleshooting a CEL. Might be helpful to those who want to learn
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Saved this from somewhere (not sure where) but got it from Google at one time when troubleshooting a CEL. Might be helpful to those who want to learn
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...is used on many Nissan makes and models. On this system, fuel vapors from the fuel tank are allowed to flow through a vacuum cut valve into the charcoal canister to be stored and later purged. The vacuum cut valve acts as a one-way check valve and prevents vacuum from being able to enter the fuel tank during normal purge operation. Purging of the charcoal canister is done through the use of a canister purge volume control valve, an evap canister purge control vacuum solenoid and a diaphragm valve called the canister purge control valve.
To purge the fuel vapors from the charcoal canister, the engine control module (ECM) must first energize the canister purge control vacuum solenoid valve, which will apply vacuum to the canister purge control valve - causing it to open and apply vacuum to the charcoal canister. The system uses the canister purge volume control valve (a six-wire stepper motor) to regulate the amount of purge flow that is allowed at any given time.
The ECM controls the position of the canister purge volume control valve to vary the size of the orifice from zero steps (closed) to 64 steps (wide open). On light accel, engine warm, the canister purge volume control valve is controlled at five to 20 steps. At cruise, the canister purge volume control valve is controlled at eight to 30 steps and under heavy load, it is controlled at 25 to 64 steps. The evap canister purge control solenoid valve, canister purge control valve and the canister purge volume control valve are all located under the hood in the engine compartment.
During a canister purge, the canister has to be open to the atmosphere to allow fresh air into the canister, which will then bring fuel vapors with it into the intake manifold. This fresh air enters the canister through the canister vent control solenoid valve, which is normally open and closes when it is energized. The canister vent control valve is bolted to the canister.
When the ECM performs a leak check of the evap system, it energizes the canister vent solenoid to seal off the canister vent. The ECM energizes the evap canister vent control solenoid valve by grounding it. A check valve (evap breather valve) after the evap canister vent control valve prevents fuel vapors from being able to leave the canister through the vent if the evap canister vent control valve is off.
To test the system for leaks, the ECM uses the evap system pressure sensor, the vacuum cut valve bypass solenoid valve and the canister vent control valve. The evap control system pressure sensor is typically located in the rear of the vehicle by the charcoal canister and has three wires: a 5-volt reference from the ECM, a ground and an output voltage signal wire. The sensor output voltage is about 3.3 to 3.4 volts with key on, engine off (KOEO) with no vacuum or pressure in the evaporative system. With vacuum in the evap system, the output voltage should drop. The vacuum cut valve and the vacuum cut valve bypass solenoid valve are located in the rear of the vehicle by the canister.
To check the operation of the system, simulate the self-diagnosis leak test (see below) in the same manner as the ECM, using a digital volt ohmeter (DVOM) to monitor the evap system pressure sensor signal wire at the ECM (the voltage should read approximately 3.3 to 3.4 volts KOEO). While monitoring the evap pressure sensor voltage, ground the evap system solenoids with the engine running to see if the pressure sensor voltage drops, indicating vacuum in the system.
To simulate the test:
Step 1: Bypass the evaporative canister purge volume control valve by removing the hoses from the valve and connecting them together. This will ensure the engine vacuum is applied to the canister purge control valve during the test.
Step 2: Ground the canister vent control valve to seal the canister vent.
Step 3: Ground the vacuum cut valve bypass solenoid valve to bypass the vacuum cut valve to allow vacuum to be applied to the fuel tank.
Step 4: Momentarily ground the purge control solenoid with the engine running to apply vacuum and open the evap canister purge control valve. This allows manifold vacuum to be applied to the evap system, resulting in the evap control system pressure sensor voltage dropping (Note: grounding the purge control solenoid too long may result in a large enough vacuum leak to kill the engine; increasing engine rpm may be necessary).
When the evap control system pressure sensor voltage drops, if there is no leak in the evap system, the voltage should hold. If the voltage climbs back to the key on, engine off value, then a leak is indicated. Vacuum lines can be pinched off in the evap system to isolate portions of the system and then reintroduce vacuum into the evap system to see if the pressure sensor voltage drops and then holds, which will help isolate the leak.
Common evaporative system problems include:
an incorrect or defective gas cap
a sticking open or closed evaporative canister vent control valve
a canister coming apart inside, allowing charcoal to be distributed throughout the evap system - plugging up the evap canister purge control valve and the evap canister purge volume control valve.
Disconnected, plugged or cracked vacuum lines can also result in evaporative system codes being set.
To purge the fuel vapors from the charcoal canister, the engine control module (ECM) must first energize the canister purge control vacuum solenoid valve, which will apply vacuum to the canister purge control valve - causing it to open and apply vacuum to the charcoal canister. The system uses the canister purge volume control valve (a six-wire stepper motor) to regulate the amount of purge flow that is allowed at any given time.
The ECM controls the position of the canister purge volume control valve to vary the size of the orifice from zero steps (closed) to 64 steps (wide open). On light accel, engine warm, the canister purge volume control valve is controlled at five to 20 steps. At cruise, the canister purge volume control valve is controlled at eight to 30 steps and under heavy load, it is controlled at 25 to 64 steps. The evap canister purge control solenoid valve, canister purge control valve and the canister purge volume control valve are all located under the hood in the engine compartment.
During a canister purge, the canister has to be open to the atmosphere to allow fresh air into the canister, which will then bring fuel vapors with it into the intake manifold. This fresh air enters the canister through the canister vent control solenoid valve, which is normally open and closes when it is energized. The canister vent control valve is bolted to the canister.
When the ECM performs a leak check of the evap system, it energizes the canister vent solenoid to seal off the canister vent. The ECM energizes the evap canister vent control solenoid valve by grounding it. A check valve (evap breather valve) after the evap canister vent control valve prevents fuel vapors from being able to leave the canister through the vent if the evap canister vent control valve is off.
To test the system for leaks, the ECM uses the evap system pressure sensor, the vacuum cut valve bypass solenoid valve and the canister vent control valve. The evap control system pressure sensor is typically located in the rear of the vehicle by the charcoal canister and has three wires: a 5-volt reference from the ECM, a ground and an output voltage signal wire. The sensor output voltage is about 3.3 to 3.4 volts with key on, engine off (KOEO) with no vacuum or pressure in the evaporative system. With vacuum in the evap system, the output voltage should drop. The vacuum cut valve and the vacuum cut valve bypass solenoid valve are located in the rear of the vehicle by the canister.
To check the operation of the system, simulate the self-diagnosis leak test (see below) in the same manner as the ECM, using a digital volt ohmeter (DVOM) to monitor the evap system pressure sensor signal wire at the ECM (the voltage should read approximately 3.3 to 3.4 volts KOEO). While monitoring the evap pressure sensor voltage, ground the evap system solenoids with the engine running to see if the pressure sensor voltage drops, indicating vacuum in the system.
To simulate the test:
Step 1: Bypass the evaporative canister purge volume control valve by removing the hoses from the valve and connecting them together. This will ensure the engine vacuum is applied to the canister purge control valve during the test.
Step 2: Ground the canister vent control valve to seal the canister vent.
Step 3: Ground the vacuum cut valve bypass solenoid valve to bypass the vacuum cut valve to allow vacuum to be applied to the fuel tank.
Step 4: Momentarily ground the purge control solenoid with the engine running to apply vacuum and open the evap canister purge control valve. This allows manifold vacuum to be applied to the evap system, resulting in the evap control system pressure sensor voltage dropping (Note: grounding the purge control solenoid too long may result in a large enough vacuum leak to kill the engine; increasing engine rpm may be necessary).
When the evap control system pressure sensor voltage drops, if there is no leak in the evap system, the voltage should hold. If the voltage climbs back to the key on, engine off value, then a leak is indicated. Vacuum lines can be pinched off in the evap system to isolate portions of the system and then reintroduce vacuum into the evap system to see if the pressure sensor voltage drops and then holds, which will help isolate the leak.
Common evaporative system problems include:
an incorrect or defective gas cap
a sticking open or closed evaporative canister vent control valve
a canister coming apart inside, allowing charcoal to be distributed throughout the evap system - plugging up the evap canister purge control valve and the evap canister purge volume control valve.
Disconnected, plugged or cracked vacuum lines can also result in evaporative system codes being set.
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Hey I Goggled and couldn't find the reference above, but did find this link if you want to learn in simpler terms why we need this type of evap system:
http://engr.nmsu.edu/~etti/5_1/5_1e/5_1e.html
http://engr.nmsu.edu/~etti/5_1/5_1e/5_1e.html
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