nooooo ... stop the madness i say.

 

Since you guys feel free to discuss my wires, FYI, GroundingGear™ is not the cheapest. You can get less expensive wires from the guys banging these out of their basements because it's a quick buck to be had. It's the R&D and the workmanship that I believe makes GroundingGear™ stand out, and the dealerships that sell GroundingGear™ out of their parts departments agree. The dealerships actually pay more than you guys do at their wholesale cost as this commercial dealer base is where I recoupe some of my investment into the company.

There are those that add extra wires just because it's possible to do so. I do not believe in this process, and I won't add wires unless theory and empirical data supports their addition. For the skeptics, even adding one wire doesn't make sense, and all the empirical evidence in the world won't change their minds, so I agree, save your money if you are in this camp.

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As soon as I see a voltage difference delivered to the ECU from the MAF (the point most susceptible to ground loops), I'll buy a set.

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As soon as I see a voltage difference delivered to the ECU from the MAF (the point most susceptible to ground loops), I'll buy a set.

<hr></blockquote>I've never tried to sell you or anyone else a set, just as I don't try to convince others to buy a G35 only because I sell Infinitis or have stock shares in Nissan (which I don't). I also don't try to convince ppl to buy a Weber BBQ when they're looking because I get a kickback. I provide information based on my experience with something and allow others to make up their own minds, rather than try to force my own biases on them. I'd simply say, just don't buy them at all, just as I wouldn't buy a new shift ****, or chrome wheels. The last thing I put on my car, my Pop-Charger, actually decreased the performance of my car despite theoretical improvements in air-flow, etc.

I doubt even if you could see voltage differences, you'd be convinced anyway.

BTW, maybe voltage differences aren't the variable that needs to be measured. Sometimes a paradigm shift needs to happen to develop valid tests to see why something works the way it does, especially if empirical data repeatedly shows a certain result. It's not valid process to say something doesn't work 'because it can't be validated using a limited tool or process'.

Prior to the invention of the microscope, germs were thought to be non-existent. Good thing we now know the world isn't flat simply because we can't see the curve of the Earth!

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Fortunately, we know exactly what makes the MAF send inaccurate instructions to the ECU. And it's anything that causes the voltage to become comprimised. We also know what components of the car are most susceptible to ground loops. And it's the MAF. Engineers that built this car don't need emperical evidence. They have very expensive tools to perform exact measurements and they know what the voltage variances are to begin with. As electrical contacts wear, and corrode, they become compromised.

So we don't need to build straw man arguments about the earth being flat, which isn't a relevant comparison to my point....which is, "this kit will work if it reduces ground loops which may send inaccurate information to the vehicles operating systems....and I will buy one (or recommend to someone else that they buy one) if someone with the proper tools can show that it reduces voltage error sent to the ECU. Then, can show me that my less than 3 year old car has said error existing now. This can easily be measured, but no one sinking money into "R&D" has bothered to perform this. This amazes me since the "R&D" would be so simple on this mod with the proper tool and technique (measuring the voltage sent to the ECU before and after the mod).

Actually, your'e right, I will never buy a "set". I would however, clean my ground points that existed from corrosion or other smega, and maybe run another redundant ground until the voltage error was corrected. If I was interested in dressing up my engine, I would probably buy better looking hoses and vacuum lines. To each his own. I'm "forcing my bias" on people no more than you are. I too am interested in providing reasoned opinions and information to anyone who cares to read it or consider it and I feel the need to express it as equally as you do. Cheers.

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Regarding the locked thread in Off Topic:

I've made many a post on this subject, and I am one of those who are "agnostic" (NOT athiest) about the benefits of grounding wires, but I feel I have continued to debate this matter in a healthy way and have never flamed or name called. Gord (and GeoBau) I hope you can see the difference between healthy debate and flaming. I don't feel I've even approached flaming anyone on this subject and if and Admin feels I have I hope to be instantly reprimanded. Gord I hope you weren't implying that I'm diagnoseable on Axis II, or Axis I for that matter, simply because I know how the MAF and ECU interact (I just asked some Nissan engineers).

This site is the greatest thing on earth for G owners and car enthusiasts alike and I hope it can continue to be a forum of learning and sharing, despite the popularity of any dissenting opinion. Even our great Supreme Court gets to write a dissenting opinion when things don't go their way and I hope it's not the Admin's intent to squash out differences of opinion (whether they've tried a product or not) rather, to squash out disrespect and intimidation. Big diff.

2004.5 Coupe/5AT/Ivory/Everything but chin spoiler/Z Tube-Popcharger/Crawford V5 Plenum on the way

 

How can a grounding wire make a difference?

Well, just make the wall switch wire loose & intermittent; Some years ago I installed a TV antenna and the instructions said to tie-off to a copper pipe TEN feet into the earth; How about those computer parts that demand a wrist strap ground for static-free handling; Kissing my wife on the way out always gives ME the static shock; And how about all those cars I've owned that gave me an electric shock everytime I touched the door.

I think more grounding, and total grounding, is the best way to go


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