Dirty oil at 2200 Miles
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Dirty oil at 2200 Miles
I thought I'd check my oil today and after 2200 miles, my oil is pretty dirty. It's about the color of this: http://users.rcn.com/giant.interport.../SDLBROWN.html
Does that look a little dirty for 2200 miles? I remember my past few cars having almost clear clean oil up to the 2nd or 3rd change.
Should I think about changing before 3750 miles?
Does that look a little dirty for 2200 miles? I remember my past few cars having almost clear clean oil up to the 2nd or 3rd change.
Should I think about changing before 3750 miles?
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Re: Dirty oil at 2200 Miles
Depends on the sizes of the dirt particles.
Oil analysis doesn't measure particles as to size.
Experiment just change the filter if the oil cleans up some in 50 miles you know!
The G35 filters are tiny and have a limited hold capacity, this is the limiting factor not the oil stability.
Why Nissan warns for longest engine life change every 90 days. What they are saying is if you want the engine to perform well at 200,000 miles follow this interval.
Those that are leasing or care nothing for future owners can get by with 6 month [7500] changes.
"A cold start can also be a dirty start, because of the oil pressure-release valve in your oil filter. If the oil pressure is too high (say, if the oil filter is clogged up, or you have thick oil), this valve opens, and unfiltered oil enters the oil circuit of your engine. The crankshaft bearings usually get their oil directly from the filter, and so they usually suffer first. "
http://www.baldwinfilter.com/engineer/pdf/89-5r.pdf
http://www.websorcerer.com/GeekOut/
http://www.baldwinfilter.com/engineer/95_11.html
A 25 micron filter will only filter 0.001" and the G35 bearing clearances mean you need to filter to 8-10 microns or better.
Compared to some domestic which may have 50-60 micron bearing clearances.
http://www.shoclub.com/lubrication-o...n-oilpart6.htm
Every time you exceed 3,000 rpm the oil pressure rises to the bypass point and unfiltered oil get circulated, as the filter gets dirty the rpm bypass point gets lower and lower.
People that do lots of high rpm cruising, run into this problem in coolish temperatures.
Oil analysis doesn't measure particles as to size.
Experiment just change the filter if the oil cleans up some in 50 miles you know!
The G35 filters are tiny and have a limited hold capacity, this is the limiting factor not the oil stability.
Why Nissan warns for longest engine life change every 90 days. What they are saying is if you want the engine to perform well at 200,000 miles follow this interval.
Those that are leasing or care nothing for future owners can get by with 6 month [7500] changes.
"A cold start can also be a dirty start, because of the oil pressure-release valve in your oil filter. If the oil pressure is too high (say, if the oil filter is clogged up, or you have thick oil), this valve opens, and unfiltered oil enters the oil circuit of your engine. The crankshaft bearings usually get their oil directly from the filter, and so they usually suffer first. "
http://www.baldwinfilter.com/engineer/pdf/89-5r.pdf
http://www.websorcerer.com/GeekOut/
http://www.baldwinfilter.com/engineer/95_11.html
A 25 micron filter will only filter 0.001" and the G35 bearing clearances mean you need to filter to 8-10 microns or better.
Compared to some domestic which may have 50-60 micron bearing clearances.
http://www.shoclub.com/lubrication-o...n-oilpart6.htm
Every time you exceed 3,000 rpm the oil pressure rises to the bypass point and unfiltered oil get circulated, as the filter gets dirty the rpm bypass point gets lower and lower.
People that do lots of high rpm cruising, run into this problem in coolish temperatures.
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Re: Dirty oil at 2200 Miles
Rankine,
Special chemical. That's a good one.
Can I get some more of that chemical so I can fix the gaps caused by my crappy intake?
I go down to ask my black beauty...
She is GONE!!!! Probably went downtown to score some X!!
I will give her much water when she returns.
And take away her remote garage door controller privileges for 150,000 miles.
2004 G35C 6MT Black. Killer.
Special chemical. That's a good one.
Can I get some more of that chemical so I can fix the gaps caused by my crappy intake?
I go down to ask my black beauty...
She is GONE!!!! Probably went downtown to score some X!!
I will give her much water when she returns.
And take away her remote garage door controller privileges for 150,000 miles.
2004 G35C 6MT Black. Killer.
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Re: Dirty oil at 2200 Miles
The true result of the very light tension rings and floating liners is rearing its ugly head.......as is the abnormally tiny oil filter. Some new thinking has entered Japan.
Easy to bump up power if you don't care about oil and oil burning.........the dirt can only come from combustion chambers. Assuming you don't use some aftermarket air filter and it still has to get by the rings.
Have seen some newish engines that seem to treat the oil as if they already had 200,000 miles on them. But this method does reduce friction tremendously and allow a cheap and dirty extra 10,15, even 20 HP Boost at no manufacturing cost.
Unfortunately we won't know if I'm right for another 3-4 years.
Easy to bump up power if you don't care about oil and oil burning.........the dirt can only come from combustion chambers. Assuming you don't use some aftermarket air filter and it still has to get by the rings.
Have seen some newish engines that seem to treat the oil as if they already had 200,000 miles on them. But this method does reduce friction tremendously and allow a cheap and dirty extra 10,15, even 20 HP Boost at no manufacturing cost.
Unfortunately we won't know if I'm right for another 3-4 years.
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