MD MREV+ and Stillen Intake DYNO on 6MT
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MD MREV+ and Stillen Intake DYNO on 6MT
My G was the last car dynoed at Stillen during NISSAN DAY over the weekend using a dynojet and the results came out better than expected: 263.76 HP and 253.36 TQ @ 80.8 Degree F & 41% Humidity. Pretty good with my 2 mods. Tony's MREV+ did wonders for my car and made it sound awesome in the dyno. Once again I give out props to MD! 
What do you guys think of my results?? The dyno people @ Stillen was surprised with the results and how it sounded for my 2 simple mods. They commented that I may have a cherry cuz my engine was outputing pretty strong numbers and that if my car was dynoed earlier during the day, I could've gotten better numbers since it was basically about 70 degrees most of the day. Post dyno results here!! 
I will try to get my chart scanned and posted here within this week or so.
Also, I got hooked up at the Stillen event with a set of sways for like $250 installed!! Couldn't pass up that deal so I had them installed. Handling improved but I need to test it in the canyons b4 I could post a review for it... Whoever is looking into Stillen products and lives in So cal, just wait another year for the event! I've heard it is free installs on Intake, exhausts and sways...
My next mod for this weekend will be the Labree TP. It will hopefully bump up my results and make it sound a lot better.
I am also planning to get a Grounding system and a reflash or piggyback system with a dyno tune and hopefully i'll get closer to the 300 mark
I've heard that grounding kits does not do much for a 6MT, what do you guys think? Would it be a waste of $$??
Also, I'm contemplating if I should get a Technosquare reflash, since I practically live down the street from the TS shop, or should I get a piggyback system like UTEC so I could have more options with my toy?
PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHAT EVERYONE THINKS!!
What do you guys think of my results?? The dyno people @ Stillen was surprised with the results and how it sounded for my 2 simple mods. They commented that I may have a cherry cuz my engine was outputing pretty strong numbers and that if my car was dynoed earlier during the day, I could've gotten better numbers since it was basically about 70 degrees most of the day. Post dyno results here!! I will try to get my chart scanned and posted here within this week or so. Also, I got hooked up at the Stillen event with a set of sways for like $250 installed!! Couldn't pass up that deal so I had them installed. Handling improved but I need to test it in the canyons b4 I could post a review for it... Whoever is looking into Stillen products and lives in So cal, just wait another year for the event! I've heard it is free installs on Intake, exhausts and sways...
My next mod for this weekend will be the Labree TP. It will hopefully bump up my results and make it sound a lot better.
I am also planning to get a Grounding system and a reflash or piggyback system with a dyno tune and hopefully i'll get closer to the 300 mark
I've heard that grounding kits does not do much for a 6MT, what do you guys think? Would it be a waste of $$??
Also, I'm contemplating if I should get a Technosquare reflash, since I practically live down the street from the TS shop, or should I get a piggyback system like UTEC so I could have more options with my toy?
PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHAT EVERYONE THINKS!!
Last edited by Coupeness; May 15, 2006 at 07:48 PM.
Originally Posted by Coupeness
It was sorta funny cuz a 05 6MT G that dynoed b4 me had a stage 3 Stillen S/C with a Stillen TD exhaust and his dynoed came out at something like 308 HP and 301 TQ. 
The numbers are allright, BUT NOT WORTH THE BANG FOR THE BUCK!! For $5-7K spent on that mod he could've had better options, but maybe he's happy with it 
So, that run made me proud of my G with my $800 worth of mods 
The numbers are allright, BUT NOT WORTH THE BANG FOR THE BUCK!! For $5-7K spent on that mod he could've had better options, but maybe he's happy with it So, that run made me proud of my G with my $800 worth of mods Regardless of the peak numbers, did you happen to see the actual dyno graph of this dude's run? How much torque was he making at 2k rpms? 3k rpms? etc etc.
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Originally Posted by Coupeness
The dyno chart showed pretty good TQ and it was stable between 280 - 300 TQ... and it looked like it was throughout the range... above 2 - 3K RPM, it brought the torque to like 290... It was definetely an 05 cuz I was talking to the guy and he was excited since he just had it installed a week or so ago... I told him Good luck for his run 
Regardless, it gave him good torque but still not worth the $6K listing price for the S/C + $1.3 K for the exhaust + a lot more $$$ for install....
S/C stage 3 = TQ gains thru the range... his TQ graph sorta looked like mine, except mine was going up and down the 240 - 250 TQ range and the S/Cd G had it around 280 - 300 TQ.
I know peak #s are nothing and the area under the curve and TQ is the real stuff... but honestly me and my buddies expected to throw something like 350 HP and about 330 TQ. Even the owner wanted to get around 330 HP/TQ... but 308/300 doesnt sound like he made a wise investment... As advertised in the catalog, stage 3 kits alone gave them 330 HP... but remember this guy had a good flowing exhaust which should AT LEAST put him somewhere near the advertised range on a stock system. PLUS, the advertised dyno was most likely the 287 motor and this guy had the REV motor, TD exhaust and the kit and he did not make anywhere near the advertisement!! If it was me, I would've been super pissed at the spot, since IT IS their product!!! I gently told him he should get a refund in a sarcastic tone
Regardless, it gave him good torque but still not worth the $6K listing price for the S/C + $1.3 K for the exhaust + a lot more $$$ for install....S/C stage 3 = TQ gains thru the range... his TQ graph sorta looked like mine, except mine was going up and down the 240 - 250 TQ range and the S/Cd G had it around 280 - 300 TQ.
I know peak #s are nothing and the area under the curve and TQ is the real stuff... but honestly me and my buddies expected to throw something like 350 HP and about 330 TQ. Even the owner wanted to get around 330 HP/TQ... but 308/300 doesnt sound like he made a wise investment... As advertised in the catalog, stage 3 kits alone gave them 330 HP... but remember this guy had a good flowing exhaust which should AT LEAST put him somewhere near the advertised range on a stock system. PLUS, the advertised dyno was most likely the 287 motor and this guy had the REV motor, TD exhaust and the kit and he did not make anywhere near the advertisement!! If it was me, I would've been super pissed at the spot, since IT IS their product!!! I gently told him he should get a refund in a sarcastic tone
Originally Posted by trey.hutcheson
I find that interesting, because one cannot purchase a s/c kit from Stillen's own website for 05+ 6MT's.
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maybe i was wrong.... anyway, i thought about it and i really think that the s/c kit should throw better numbers if it was properly tuned... no?
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Originally Posted by Coupeness
The dyno chart showed pretty good TQ and it was stable between 280 - 300 TQ... and it looked like it was throughout the range... above 2 - 3K RPM, it brought the torque to like 290... It was definetely an 05 cuz I was talking to the guy and he was excited since he just had it installed a week or so ago... I told him Good luck for his run Regardless, it gave him good torque but still not worth the $6K listing price for the S/C + $1.3 K for the exhaust + a lot more $$$ for install....
S/C stage 3 = TQ gains thru the range... his TQ graph sorta looked like mine, except mine was going up and down the 240 - 250 TQ range and the S/Cd G had it around 280 - 300 TQ.
I know peak #s are nothing and the area under the curve and TQ is the real stuff... but honestly me and my buddies expected to throw something like 350 HP and about 330 TQ. Even the owner wanted to get around 330 HP/TQ... but 308/300 doesnt sound like he made a wise investment... As advertised in the catalog, stage 3 kits alone gave them 330 HP... but remember this guy had a good flowing exhaust which should AT LEAST put him somewhere near the advertised range on a stock system. PLUS, the advertised dyno was most likely the 287 motor and this guy had the REV motor, TD exhaust and the kit and he did not make anywhere near the advertisement!! If it was me, I would've been super pissed at the spot, since IT IS their product!!! I gently told him he should get a refund in a sarcastic tone
Regardless, it gave him good torque but still not worth the $6K listing price for the S/C + $1.3 K for the exhaust + a lot more $$$ for install....S/C stage 3 = TQ gains thru the range... his TQ graph sorta looked like mine, except mine was going up and down the 240 - 250 TQ range and the S/Cd G had it around 280 - 300 TQ.
I know peak #s are nothing and the area under the curve and TQ is the real stuff... but honestly me and my buddies expected to throw something like 350 HP and about 330 TQ. Even the owner wanted to get around 330 HP/TQ... but 308/300 doesnt sound like he made a wise investment... As advertised in the catalog, stage 3 kits alone gave them 330 HP... but remember this guy had a good flowing exhaust which should AT LEAST put him somewhere near the advertised range on a stock system. PLUS, the advertised dyno was most likely the 287 motor and this guy had the REV motor, TD exhaust and the kit and he did not make anywhere near the advertisement!! If it was me, I would've been super pissed at the spot, since IT IS their product!!! I gently told him he should get a refund in a sarcastic tone
It's just not peak HP and Stillen SC is totally different than other FI Kit. People that go with Stillen route because of the 1. Reliability 2. awesome for Street driving (power way down low) 3. True Plug N Play. Some just want that extra power without compromising their engine and Stillen does that.
https://g35driver.com/forums/forced-induction/95591-thinking-going-stillen-s-c.html
Give me all the Bolt-on that can bring you to 300whp/tq and tell me if that is cheaper than Stillen.
on stillen's site the kit is only $5,228
+ 800 - 1000 install so that's around $6,300 + Hood (i think $300 )= $6,500
after doing the math
Crawford Headers = 980
Crawford HFC = 500
HKS Exhaust = 1400
Iso thermal spacer = 300
Modified lower plenum (Mrev+) = 140 (has been dynoed to help non-revup motor)
UTEC/Tune = 1400+
Install will be around $1000+ for headers/HFC/Exhaust (MREV/Spacer can be done by your self)
That's about 5.7k+, this should be close HP to Stillen but will have less torque than a Stillen SC Stage 2.
I guess for less than $1,000 more you'll get that extra torque and nice pimp factor. Well minus - for ugly hood though (but I kinda like it.)
Stillen is not for everyone and not for bragging rights!
Last edited by FI'ed G; May 15, 2006 at 05:45 PM.
Originally Posted by Coupeness
maybe i was wrong.... anyway, i thought about it and i really think that the s/c kit should throw better numbers if it was properly tuned... no?
Rather than to look at, hear or speculate how a particular FI system performs from dyno results, Stillen in this case, I suggest you drive one before criticizing it. Having driven mutiple examples of supercharged cars (except for the HKS / Rotrex SC) I can assure you that they all are a kick to drive and each "shines" in a particular area.
In our Supercharger Shootout the Stillen SC produced the most mean average torque and horsepower and the most torque and horsepower from off idle to 5K rpm. Above that point to redline the centrifugals took over handily. Of course different levels of tune will change the results however in general the Eaton (modified roots) design will produce great off idle and midrange torque and the centrifuals will produce impressive upper end horspower.
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In our Supercharger Shootout the Stillen SC produced the most mean average torque and horsepower and the most torque and horsepower from off idle to 5K rpm. Above that point to redline the centrifugals took over handily. Of course different levels of tune will change the results however in general the Eaton (modified roots) design will produce great off idle and midrange torque and the centrifuals will produce impressive upper end horspower.
DaveO
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Originally Posted by trey.hutcheson
It's not just the cam timing; apparently brackets for many of the kits just simply won't work for the revup(vortech, tn, stillen).
You have to remember its area under the curve that gets increased dramtically with a Stillen SC unit. You can't go by PEAK numbers unless you want bragging rights. More power than Vortech/ATI under the curve will win races.
Originally Posted by Coupeness
My G was the last car dynoed at Stillen during NISSAN DAY over the weekend using a dynojet and the results came out better than expected: 263.76 HP and 253.36 TQ @ 80.8 Degree F & 41% Humidity. Pretty good with my 2 mods. Tony's MREV+ did wonders for my car and made it sound awesome in the dyno. Once again I give out props to MD! What do you guys think of my results?? The dyno people @ Stillen was surprised with the results and how it sounded for my 2 simple mods. They commented that I may have a cherry cuz my engine was outputing pretty strong numbers and that if my car was dynoed earlier during the day, I could've gotten better numbers since it was basically about 70 degrees most of the day. Post dyno results here!! I will try to get my chart scanned and posted here within this week or so.
Also, I got hooked up at the Stillen event with a set of sways for like $250 installed!! Couldn't pass up that deal so I had them installed. Handling improved but I need to test it in the canyons b4 I could post a review for it... Whoever is looking into Stillen products and lives in So cal, just wait another year for the event! I've heard it is free installs on Intake, exhausts and sways...
My next mod for this weekend will be the Labree TP. It will hopefully bump up my results and make it sound a lot better.
I am also planning to get a Grounding system and a reflash or piggyback system with a dyno tune and hopefully i'll get closer to the 300 mark
I've heard that grounding kits does not do much for a 6MT, what do you guys think? Would it be a waste of $$??
Also, I'm contemplating if I should get a Technosquare reflash, since I practically live down the street from the TS shop, or should I get a piggyback system like UTEC so I could have more options with my toy?
PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHAT EVERYONE THINKS!!
What do you guys think of my results?? The dyno people @ Stillen was surprised with the results and how it sounded for my 2 simple mods. They commented that I may have a cherry cuz my engine was outputing pretty strong numbers and that if my car was dynoed earlier during the day, I could've gotten better numbers since it was basically about 70 degrees most of the day. Post dyno results here!! I will try to get my chart scanned and posted here within this week or so. Also, I got hooked up at the Stillen event with a set of sways for like $250 installed!! Couldn't pass up that deal so I had them installed. Handling improved but I need to test it in the canyons b4 I could post a review for it... Whoever is looking into Stillen products and lives in So cal, just wait another year for the event! I've heard it is free installs on Intake, exhausts and sways...
My next mod for this weekend will be the Labree TP. It will hopefully bump up my results and make it sound a lot better.
I am also planning to get a Grounding system and a reflash or piggyback system with a dyno tune and hopefully i'll get closer to the 300 mark
I've heard that grounding kits does not do much for a 6MT, what do you guys think? Would it be a waste of $$??
Also, I'm contemplating if I should get a Technosquare reflash, since I practically live down the street from the TS shop, or should I get a piggyback system like UTEC so I could have more options with my toy?
PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHAT EVERYONE THINKS!!
Originally Posted by zparts
When I talked to Colin at the dyno day on saturday, he said they will have a kit ready by mid summer.