and fuel return. That is 3 K.

Therefore, the Greddy system is actually a little more expensive.

Is this correct?

 

you dont get the APS true dual with the kit, you have to buy it seperately. The fuel system is an added feature.

 

huh?

what is 3 K?

APS TT for 3k? where?

 

Yeah he confused me as well. I tried to answer the best I could.

 

Greddy TT kit is around 6-6.5 K....APS is 8K (both list for more, but it has been my experience that you can talk shops down to this price...labor is going to be 2 K regardless).

Greddy doesn't have fuel return (1.3K) or exhaust/test pipes (1.6k) although it does come w/ engine management. The 3K estimate was a combination of the the fuel return and exhaust. The APS isn't really a true dual, though, it seems. So maybe 1.6 is too much for the exhaust system. Is the kit exhaust better than stock? I ask because I purchased a true dual system and wonder if the APS is as good. Actually, I highly doubt that it is, since the Intimidator seems truly excellent. All in all, the, I suppose you get maybe 1.5-2K more stuff w/ the APS.

Thus the price difference. Are my estimates correct? if so, then, the APS isn't actually more expensive. That is my statement/question.

 

you really shouldnt be speding more than 1k on fuel system. Maybe 1200-1300 for an exhaust. APS claims that their exhaust is the best, as do all makers. Obviously it will be better than stock, more free flow.

 

Actually, since I am staying around 370 rwhp, I am holding off on a fuel system...is this recommended? By fuel system, u mean, return, not pump, yes? The Greddy I am getting includes a pump/larger injectors (440).

I already have an excellent exhaust (waiting to be installed) so I don't need the APS.

So, then, Greddy comes w/ EU, APS w/ fuel return and exhaust. That would make the APS worth about 1.5K more, then which happens to be the diff.

 

you dont need the fuel system, it will help but its not necessary unless you start running 650s.

 

APS and Greddy shouldnt even be in the same class! You'll end up spending about the same for the Greddy setup. The APS kit is the closest to OEM as you'll see. I was REALLY impressed by this kit when I installed it. Install isnt for the faint of heart! Ive also done a Greddy. No BOV, no return fuel system, no fuel pump, no timing controll, bigger turbo's for slower spool, not water cooled, APS oil pan is much nicer, bigger intercooler offers no room for front support crash bar, on and on.
What was the question,lol

 

G352NV,

I am getting the BOV and fuel pump w/ my Greddy.

I am also running the new HKS F-Con IS eng man.

The remaining question is (I know....the question is not original) do you think that the APS turbos and basics are better than Greddy?

 

Yes without a doubt the quality of the APS kit is superior to the Greddy kit. Mind you, do some research both setups have popped a lot of motors.

 

With 'proper' tuning (I assume you are going through SGP since you mentioned the FCON iS?) and accessories, both of the kits you are asking about will probably give you what you want. There are Many people running either kit with great results.

Since you're not going with whatever engine management comes with the kits, this first part does not apply to you, but:
-APS comes with pnp Unichip
-Greddy comes with eManage
both lack ideal tuning capability

-The standard APS TT kit comes with 500cc injectors and harness, return lines, and fuel pump etc.
-The Greddy Kit just comes with 440cc injectors.

-APS has cast Iron manifolds and turbine outlets and have a 'high-temp' coating
-Greddy has cast stailess steel manifolds

-APS has Garrett Twin Ball Bearing turbos, water and oil cooled/lubed - the Garrett turbos are now arguably the best turbos out there
-Greddy comes with mitubishi TD05H 18G's, a workhorse turbo, just not the latest and greatest

+APS comes with an oversized oil pan, blow-off valve
+Greddy comes with neither, but does come with External Wastegates.

Street price on the APS TT kit With the G35 supplement kit is about $7500-7650 shipped.
Street price on the Greddy With FMIC kit is about $5900-6200 shipped.

So to get the Greddy "up-to-par" with the APS, you would be buying an oil pan (or a spacer), and some sort of fuel return and fuel pump, ... which would run you about 400 for the pan, 100 for the pump, and 500-1000 for some sort of fuel return (depends on if it's a kit or homebrew special). That brings the Greddy and 'add-ons' to $7400-7700.

Most importantly to me, ... you still do not have the Garrett ball bearing turbos, ANY ball bearing upgrade for a turbo which is capable is gonna cost you at least $1000 for the two. Which would drive the cost to $8400-8700 for the Greddy to be a "side by side comparable" kit to the APS, ... but you can not 'upgrade' the greddy turbos to ball bearing anyway...
And now you are at the cost of the APS Extreme Twin Turbo Kit.....



..... so yeah, the APS is a better deal IMO..... lol

****, after all that, ... i forgot that you could just get the APS Tuner TT kit (~6400-6500, comes w/out fuel sys and EM), and then Choose your EM and fuel system! Which you are doing one of those already, ... so that makes the APS tuner kit an even better deal IMO...

edited b/c i can't spell...

 

I currently have the Greddy TT kit on my car. I am not too satisfied with the Engine management that come with. I am getting the UTEC,I have ordered it already. But everyone always says I am gonna stick with 370 RWHP not true that is what I said and am planning to turn the boost when my utec comes in. The greddy kit is a great kit.

 

SPG is including an upgraded fuel pump and a BOV so that I will have nearly everything the APS system has except fuel return and the larger oil pan (although I do think they are including an upgraded oil pan).

The price is 5.7K for the TT plus 2.2 K for the install not counting tune (300).

That is a pretty good price. The question is, how desirable are the Garret turbos?

Actually, the whole point may be moot, since the money I was counting on for my TT may not be comming in.

But nonetheless, what are the advantages of the Garret turbos? I will (if I get my money) only run 370-380 whp on stock internalls and maybe get an engine build in another year or so (and then go 400 plus rwhp). If I do that, then I will want to get 100K miles from my turbo, since an SPG built motor should last.

Is it a good idea to take advantage of the fact that I am 45 minutes away from SPG and someday get an engine rebuild? Over the next couple of years I should eventually get the money.

 

SPOOL.
and reliability in the long run IMO. the ball bearing turbos should spool faster giving you more hp/tq early on in the revs.

Here, i'm cheating and being lazy, but who better to explain it than the guys creating the product:
APS's explanation:
http://www.airpowersystems.com.au/350z/turbo/turbo.htm

and Garrett's explanation:
http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbob...1.html?#t101_5

Garrett's site has a bunch of FAQs...