Trey,

After 70 I will be putting more than 520 whp....much more that the Z06, so I will compensate for the weight diff. I have not decided just how extreme I will go w/ handling mods (I still like some comfort) but matching the Vettes handling is very possible, although admitedly a sizable goal. The shop building my car turns out cars that crush vettes at least once a week. I spoke w/ a guy who was challenged by a Z06 last week, and the Vette backed down (and wisely so) when the TT G stabbed the peddle and just the sound of the wastegates became apparent.

And in terms of interior, I am much better. I love and respect the z06, but they are beatable, and for less than the 90K (albeit not much) that they cost.

 

Honestly i dont believe in spending alot of dough in a car to make it faster. I seen some people spend 40K in a civic or corolla to make it fast, and to put all sorts of gadgets in the car, i personally think is a waste of money, guys on the real, a car is not an invesment like a house would be, its a liability, a cars price goes down with everymile we put in it...they never go up in value, yes some cars have managed to keep their value (ex. supra, cant think of any other)

 

I am well aware that a car is a depreciating asset

 

Well, thanks for the insight, but I doubt there are very many people out there who honestly believe that a car is an investment that you can sink money into.

Fortunately for them, however, they have you to clear things up for them.

 

In my observation, economic or accounting basics is not the focal point of this discussion, but more accurately utility. The wonderful aspect of debating utility in this case about vehicles and respective aftermarket modifications of such vehicles is completely based upon qualitative measurements and not quantitative; thus a debate with no end as each debater has his or her own frame of reference in which to gauge qualitative perspective.

For me and my family, our basic needs are met and modifying my vehicle is one method to achieving uniqueness and individuality through material means which are components shared by most people once the basic necessities in life are met.

 

I hope for your sake you do have another car to drive because most every aftermarket forced induced and "built" motor I've dealt with has tons of headaches, driveability issues, and quirks. The G35 is an amazingly platform, but once you start talking about power adders, driveability and reliability goes out the window.

I guess I'm one of the few that will never make his G truely fast or seriously modded. I'm just not willing to sacrifice it's great day in and day out driveability and power delivery. Don't get me wrong, I still love speed and all out handling and that will be saved for my future weekend car.

I'll tell you what though, if I could swing it, I'd be more than happy to own a C5 Z06. I've seen these cars on the road course and auto-x. They're killers. Add a set of long tube headers, a cam, intake, and ECU tune and you're solidly in mid 11s along with amazingly around town driveability. I can look past the rather cheap interior because of it's overall potential. And the C6 Z06? Deal of the F-ing century. A guy recently went 10.1@140mph in his C6 Z06 with DRs, 100 shot of nitrous, intake, and ECU tune. The car will be seen on an off shoot of Pinks.

 

now these are the moronic comments that lead to all this BullSh!t out how an "aftermarket FI" car can not be reliable.
That statement is Purely False.
Period.

 

How's it BS? Why not ask around or research posts in this forum, my350z.com, and basically any other automotive forum where people experience reliability and driveability problems after adding forced induction to an NA car. Take note at how many of these guys have had to take the cars back to the shop and/or spend endless hours under the hoods troubleshooting the typical annoyances with adding forced induction in a NA car. I'm talking about things like:

1) Shredded blower belts
2) surging and idle problems
3) part throttle sputtering
4) inconsistent power delivery
5) lack of overall power
6) various exhaust and piping leaks
7) shoddy aftermarket parts
8) electrical gremlims

If you want to boost one of these cars, seriously consider having alternate transportation available because if you think you can simply bolt-on one of these systems and expect it to run perfectly, you're sorely mistaken. As with any mod to a car, there are compromises. When it comes to adding 100-200whp over stock to this car, you're walking on egg shells.

 

Sounds like you had some bad experiences

 

WELL SAID!

you must be an econmics major?

 

I'd much rather have this instead of that ancient piece of fiberglass. I can only guess how well that cobra handles on those cooper tires LOL.

FDRX7 w/ a LS2 swap. 50/50 weight dist. Only about 2800lbs and oem quality 400hp stock. With another 50hp or so w/ na bolts ons.

This guy ran a 10.9 on slicks On that day, his best was 10.8 in hot weather w/ no traction. http://videos.streetfire.net/video/5d548572-0328-484c-84bd-41f93ec5ea82.htm
Here is the hp stats:
1993 RX7
402 ls2/t56
Fast 90mm
507RWhp
609rwhp 100 shot no times yet
7.1@107mph
10.5@136mph NA 427
10.7@142mph 75 shot 402

 

I think one of the reasons people do it is because they consider their car as their 2nd 'soulmate' ... that feeling that can't be measured with $$ ... you just know when it 'click'
You want your 'soulmate' look beautiful, that's why you give it some bling (wheels, body kit) ... you want it faster (that's why you modify your engine) .....
Seriously, it's like the same process ... the girl next door might be prettier (350Z, RX-8, each to their own preference) than your wife/gf (G35) but most of the time you don't care coz it's not yours...
However, like marriage, sometimes it doesn't end up well because of some reasons such as being being separated for few weeks (car in shops) or you fall in love with other gals (Z06, IS 350, 335I, etc) thus you divorce (sell your car) and marry another gal (buying Z06, IS 350, etc)

 

That's nice. You're preaching about what you've read, ... how many "aftermarket boosted" cars have you owned? I've owned, raced, beaten on "aftermarket boosted" cars for over a decade now..... How many blown motors? Zero. Guess what? I blew the damn motor in my Factory boosted WRX!! LOL how ironic is that. Of course it was then replaced under warranty.

My point is, ... just b/c you Read it, doesn't make it so.
You Can have a Reliable aftermarket FI car.
I all goes hand in hand with the parts used and install, the TUNE, and how well you maintain the car.
Sure, there are freaks of nature, and badluck betty's that will always have problems, ... BUT OEM FACTORY vehicles have problems ALL THE TIME. I read about them all the time on the internet, ... so it must mean that ALL cars are NOT reliable!
come on man, ... hear what I'm saying....

 

Actually slipping belts, broken pullies on the SC'd maxima is very, very common. So common that people have contracted out to get billet metal machined pullies in order to combat the belp slipping issue. You don't have this done on fluke experiences.

On turbo maximas, it's very easy to exceed the stock injector capabilities and the MAF flow voltages. So you have to install larger injectors and a bigger MAF. This requires tricky ECU hacks or very expensive standalone ecu systems. Guess what, aftermarket makers don't give two rat's ***** about maximas so owner have to splice the electronics on their own.

We don't get multiple plug and play ecu tuning choices like scoobies do.

 

It seems to me that those issues are issues with the kits, or the people that use them. Belt problems seem to be frequent with s/c kits for the g as well; but then you run into some guys that did things right from the get-go, by using the properly sized or types of belts.

Some people read about FI for like 5 minutes, then drop several grand. That's simply not wise. And it's not our job to protect those stupid people from themselves. To take such persons' experiences as typical is a reach, IMO.

Of course there are always going to be problems with kits missing pieces, or stuff not fitting correctly, etc. That's a given. Guess what? Some cheapo PCI network cards don't find in some motherboards too. Some cpu fans require more space than others. And sometimes, even when you buy from a company like dell, the package might be missing something. Can you believe it? (sorry for the sarcasm)

These issues are going to happen. They're not implicit to the process of going FI on an NA car.

I don't get how this is related to Dave's point of FI/NA cars. The issues you mention here are issues related to the lack of kits, or poor implementations of existing kits. That's a completely different issue to me. To me that seems like an immature area of the maxima aftermarket.

I'm confused...