it may be on a sr20det, but you cant say that 60 hp came from nowhere

if you read the thread it says

"we are testting the EXACT same car, dynoed on the exact same conditions, exactly one day later, with the same fuel that was in it... NOTHING else changed between going from one manifold to the other, save the fraternally similar 3 inch mandrel bent downpipe that bolted and had the same bends in the same places... "

 

It looks like a nice set up.
I originally bought my G to modify into a monster sleeper with TT.
After much research and soul searching....I just don't like what I'm seeing on TT'ing the VQ. To do it right, you will spend over $10,000. when it is all done.
I have decided to go another route an buy a Viper for my "need for speed - play car."
However, I like the G so much, I'm keeping it as my daily driver!
JMO

 

i'm not saying that 60hp came from nowhere... i had a similar situation on my wrx. upgraded turbo, fuel injectors, tuning, etc... made about 190whp (bear in mind these cars have extremely large drivetrain losses and baseline at 150whp stock on this dyno). installed a much better downpipe + race cat and only made an extra 10whp and got me around 200whp. had the ecu tuned around that better downpipe and got an additional 25whp bringing me up to 225whp.

to attribute the whole 35whp increase to the downpipe alone is not fair, it allowed more aggressive tuning of the fuel and timing (boost was untouched) which netted the real hp gains..

it's that bit of tuning that IMHO accounts for a fair ammount of the gains.

 

Full-Race manifolds are not just about the materials they're made of., it's the engineering that goes into their designs...

 

50 hrs on dyno tuning?? Who has that kind of money to burn?
Considering 1 hour of dyno tuning costs on average $100-150.

Sure, you must do a little tuning to go with the race gas and upped
boost. I did it all myself on the street and at the drag strip with my
previous car. All I had was an EGT gauge and S-AFC. I looked at
the A/F ratio at each step in the RPM range and adjusted the S-AFC
settings accordingly. I ran at best of 14.1 with 91 octane. After
dumping in a few gallons of 108 octane race gas, upping the boost,
and some S-AFC tuning at the drag strip, I walked away with a best
of 13.7 @ 105mph. That's a HUGE difference just from dumping in
race gas.

Believe me, once you have a turbo car, it's much easier to make more
power than a naturally aspirated car. A turbo car will feel MUCH faster
just from a drop in temperature at night.

 

According to the new SCC, timing will be controlled by a piggy-back unit and additional fuel will be delivered via a larger pump and a rising rate regulator.

 

i used to have a turbo car, and beleive me it took me alot longer than an hour to tune it.

and with the 50 hours, im talking Standalone engine managemaent. maybe not 50 hours at a time, but i know for a fact my friend would spend 50 hours tuning his haltech, about 5 hours at a time. so people do have that kind of time and money