i'm also goin ST, but if ur lookin to spend under 4k. then i hope u get lucky and find a used kit, cause ur not gonna find many vortechs for under 4k. but total cost is about the same. i'm spending bout 7.5-8k on my ST and i was gonna spend bout ~7k on the vortech. the only reason the ST is a lil more is cause i'm getting an EU, but if i would stay w/ the stock flash i would be exactly the same.

 

I am glad I got to see the highest HP G in the world. I feel like I can die a happy man now. As for the "less stress on the engine stuff for SC" not as true as every is making it out to be. To turn you SC the engine is under a tremendous load form the belts and the parasitic loss is huge. The crank is under stress along with the belt and in turn now you motor is under stress. The efficiency of a turbo system (while creating more torque) is far superior to the SC. The reason Turbos are seeing more torque is in no small part to the fact that they don't rob torque from the get go. Using your spent exhaust to spool your system is far more efficient than stealing your engines toque to do the same thing. Your car (if tuned properly on a turbo) should make it for a long long time. It's all out of love Randy.

 

you still didn't answer my question...who told you there's a tremendous load on the engine to spool a SC...I'd like to remove that person from my friend list...I don't like liars! The argument of which system to go with will always come down to what you are looking for. Tons of torque and you're running a greater risk of blowing your motor. If you want to increase your power safely, SC have proven on 10's of 100's of applications to be safe, where turbos have blown more motors. Not to say that SC can't blow a motor, but the likelihood of it happening with a turbo is far greater.

P.S. When I fly out to Cali in Nov, I get to go for a ride in the world fastest and highest HP G35! HA Good to have friends in Texas AND Cali!

 

Oh Randy, (sigh) what are we going to do with you. There is a very simple reason why turbo motors keep blowing (not a single one has said, "Hey guys my motor blew because I had SOOOOO much torque, it was crazy." That hasn't happened yet. What has happened is "Hey guys my motor blew cuz I leaned out and detonated." Detonation blows motors not torque. So out Greddy guys like me who are running a nice little turbo set up who want to run 8 psi on a stock block without upgrading their fuel return system and without a really solid boost controller will boost spike and be done. SC not so much a huge worry about boost spikes (hence why fewr have blown). Not saying my setup up is bulletproof, but A Greddy E-01 electronic boost controller and a Walbro upgraded fuel system, AND Aquamist, AND The most conservative A/F settings ever (no more than 10.2 to 1) makes my set up less likely to have problems. And with no problems and tons of torque..... I guess the only thing to say to any prospective turbo guy would be: "If you go turbo, did it right the first time."

 

It still surprises me how people think that a turbo is such an enormous OMFG WTH just happened I can't believe I'm going 47,000 MPH deal. Actually a properly chosen turbo and kit and can produce power that is just as linear as a Supercharger in feel. Granted with much more tq. I've had NUMEROUS people drive my car from both a turbo and sc background and they all said the same thing. There is no jarring HOLY CRAP I'm flying feeling. The power delivery in my car is VERY LINEAR. Several comments were made to the effect of "It feels like the car has a V8 in it" and "no real break tires loose get sideways when boost hits response" As long as the boost response is linear (as determined by the turbo selection and piping setup) a turbo is no harder on the car then a SC. ALthough you make gobbs more tq everywhere and the HP reflects that higher up. Furthermore the only maintenance associated with a turbo is the standard 3k miles oil change. With a SC you have to worry about belts wearing out in ADDITION to the oil changes and other issues. Furthermore not everyone likes the whine that is common with SCs. My car sound completely stock at idle or off boost. Only when I put my foot down do you hear the turbo spool or the blow off valve. A SC has a characteristic whine that you hear all the time. Sure some are louder then others but its always there. Furthermore should you want bigger power later with an SC theres the added cost of changing the pulley, belts, whatever just to increase the boost. You buy a $20 MBC kit with a turbo and you can start cranking away.Each system has their pros/cons thats for sure. But after 11k+ miles of hard driving on my single turbo without an issues its hard to argue against it.

 

spoken like a true linguist!

 

First, I've driven a TT G (Hypes, in fact) and it's anything but linear. The power def came on all of a sudden. Second, I have 16,000 miles on my G with the SC and zero problems...only have to change the oil every 3500miles. Thirdly, never use "Furthermore" more than once in a paragraph.

 

LOL...I figured it was better then using nextly.... On the subject of TTs yes they are a bit less linear....I'm speaking in terms of a single turbo as cost wise it is the most similar to the SC kits...

 

This forum has turned into 3 bickering old men. Cur it out Hyper, Randy, MIA. Let's all just agree to disagree. I like my TT MIA likes his ST and Randy likes his SC. As Long as we are all happy what else matters. For me a TT was what I was looking for out of my set up and at the end of the day no else has to like it but me. Same with Randy and MIA. We all had certain goals and we met them how we felt was the most appropriate for us and whenever you leave the office at the end of the day, you are the only one who has to love what you are driving not all of us. Get whichever set up brings you the most joy.

 

Well I'm not bickering honestly but the thread was asking for opinions on which to go with...I gave him mine...no argument here. Every kit has its merits and its place....

 

Why not have both, or even all three?? Each has their own good qualities. Some like the noise of a s/c, some like the noise of a turbo. I can only attest to the TT kits (several of them) and the roots style (Eaten, Stillen,etc.) and snail type (Vortech, HKS, PI, etc.) s/c'ers. I personally have had no experience (or have wanted too) with the s/t systems, but I am sure they are fine for what they are.

 

Anyone know a competent speed shop that would do turbo installs in the Tampa area?

 

OLD!? Speak for yourself whipper schnapper!

 

I said we SOUNDED like old men. I never said we were old. Unless your name is Randy.

 

anything that makes my car go faster....... i LOVE IT!