500HP 2009 G37 Coupe Convertible
I can however see Nissan doing something similar to the GT-R and naming it an Infiniti and naming it "GT38" or "R38" and pricing it between $80K-$100K. I highly doubt it will come out of the factory with over 450HP though. The "Premium Midship" and "Front Midship" both have dimensions for both a RWD V6 and V8. But I don't think the number of people that would be that type of car from Infiniti would warrant producing that. It would fall in the category of:
Mercedes Benz CL63/65 - Not so much the 65 as its around $197K
Aston Martin V8 Vantage
Maserati Coupe
Audi RB
BMW M6
Cadillac XLR-V
Actually, it might make sense for them........
Mercedes Benz CL63/65 - Not so much the 65 as its around $197K
Aston Martin V8 Vantage
Maserati Coupe
Audi RB
BMW M6
Cadillac XLR-V
Actually, it might make sense for them........
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Originally Posted by skaterbasist
I do believe that this particular "500 HP G37 Convertible Coupe" is complete bs.
But Infiniti will have to make a competitor to the BMW M, Merc AMG, Lexus F, and Audi S. They are the last to not have a performance division.
I will say that a 2009 Infiniti peformance car is bs. My guess is 2010 at the earlist. But it's going to happen sooner or later. It could be a brand new line-up, or a beefed up G Coupe/Sedan.
The simple law of marketing & competition.
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But Infiniti will have to make a competitor to the BMW M, Merc AMG, Lexus F, and Audi S. They are the last to not have a performance division.
I will say that a 2009 Infiniti peformance car is bs. My guess is 2010 at the earlist. But it's going to happen sooner or later. It could be a brand new line-up, or a beefed up G Coupe/Sedan.
The simple law of marketing & competition.
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Infiniti should work on getting more mainstream and building a reputable 7-series/S-Class/A8 competitor before it concentrates on performance.
If someone buys a G37, pay another $25k to put a GT-R motor/tranny/drivetran/suspension in there, and then chop the roof off......
We might just have to beat that guy to death with a shock absorber.
We might just have to beat that guy to death with a shock absorber.
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I do see Infiniti in 09 dropping a g37 convertible. It will either have 330hp or just the mid life cycle refinements that usually add 20-30hp since the 37 will be 3yrs old then. Price starting near 40k. Largely due to the 350z roadster sales, Infiniti will look to give those G lovers a back seat with the top down.
I also predict a FX37/47 M37/47... You get the point all 37 models by 09!
I also predict a FX37/47 M37/47... You get the point all 37 models by 09!
I don't think all model will be 37s. I think they will only use the 3.7HR in the G Sedan/Coupe and the M Sedan. The new V8 is said to be a 5.0 Liter, not sure if it will follow the architecture of the HR motor though, but if it did, I think Infiniti would have a hit. I don't see the real reason why they aren't using the 3.7HR across the board, aside from a marketing trick to. As far as the 5.0 V8 that will be used in the new FX and M, I think they should make it an option in the G Coupe if they can get at least 430hp out of it, but at that point the weight of the V8 better be pretty low.
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The glaring hole in the model line up right now is not, despite the rumor mill, a 500 HP G37, they just launched a great super car.
But with what the competition is pushing into the market, that creates a missing "level" for Nissan/Infiniti.
Coupes:
INF: G37 - 330HP/// BMW: 335i - 300-350HP/// AUDI: S5 - 354HP
INF: ??? /// BMW: M3 - 420HP ///AUDI: S6 - 435HP (4486CurbW)
INF: GT-R 480 ish HP ///BMW: M5/M6 - 510HP ///AUDI: A8 R8 - 420HP (3426CurbW)
While the target Infiniti is chasing with the GT-R may be the 911TT, they are always fighiting the propeller kids on the block, so this makes sense to me when trying to see where a faster G series car might fit into. Plus, why put 2 $70,000 cars into the market, when your next sports car is down in the $40s, why not try and find a spot below the M3 as it comes out next year so you can match your main competition car for car.
Of course - None of this opinion is jaded by the fact that I want a TT G37 myself but don't want to pay for a GT-R price, so I would personally be happy with say, something in the $50s with twin hair dryers and around 400 ponies.
If that was in a showroom near me, I would mortgage the cats, the dogs, and whatever else I could find, as long as it came with a 6 speed MT.
But with what the competition is pushing into the market, that creates a missing "level" for Nissan/Infiniti.
Coupes:
INF: G37 - 330HP/// BMW: 335i - 300-350HP/// AUDI: S5 - 354HP
INF: ??? /// BMW: M3 - 420HP ///AUDI: S6 - 435HP (4486CurbW)
INF: GT-R 480 ish HP ///BMW: M5/M6 - 510HP ///AUDI: A8 R8 - 420HP (3426CurbW)
While the target Infiniti is chasing with the GT-R may be the 911TT, they are always fighiting the propeller kids on the block, so this makes sense to me when trying to see where a faster G series car might fit into. Plus, why put 2 $70,000 cars into the market, when your next sports car is down in the $40s, why not try and find a spot below the M3 as it comes out next year so you can match your main competition car for car.
Of course - None of this opinion is jaded by the fact that I want a TT G37 myself but don't want to pay for a GT-R price, so I would personally be happy with say, something in the $50s with twin hair dryers and around 400 ponies.
If that was in a showroom near me, I would mortgage the cats, the dogs, and whatever else I could find, as long as it came with a 6 speed MT.
^ I think your logic is right on. One of those vids posted on here with a top Infiniti engineering guy seemed pretty cagey when asked about the slot you refer to. I think it was one debuting the G37. I took it as there is likely to be something being worked on to fill it.
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Originally Posted by RBull
^ I think your logic is right on. One of those vids posted on here with a top Infiniti engineering guy seemed pretty cagey when asked about the slot you refer to. I think it was one debuting the G37. I took it as there is likely to be something being worked on to fill it.
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Your on this one quick! I think the want to match model for model in this segment, or maybe need to match is a better way to put it. However costly it may be to produce coupe's that don't carry the sales load, if they want to be in this level and place in the market, they have to match what the leader is doing or fall behind. Clearly the G 35 family was born to attack the 3 family from the start, so who ever up's the anty- you have to chase or lose ground.
IMO- The 37 did a good job of coming up with a well balanced formula of price, performance, and power to keep on par with the 335i, even if these (2 door performance coupes) are a very small percentage of overall company sales. They did not have to trounce it, just keeping up with the 3s has been tough for all competitors for the last 10 years.
But now with the new M3, even if this is much smaller segment of buyers, bragging rights will again fall to the propeller boys.
Ford knew it 50 years ago, 'win on sunday, sell on monday'. It was a company mantra, racing was just a very expensive marketing program that worked very well, and still does. These are eye candy for most buyers, get them in the showroom, dazzle them with sports cars, and shake hands on the family movers.
Not to mention those 2 non functioning air scoops in the bottom of the sports bumper on the 37 still convince me something is coming....
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Your on this one quick! I think the want to match model for model in this segment, or maybe need to match is a better way to put it. However costly it may be to produce coupe's that don't carry the sales load, if they want to be in this level and place in the market, they have to match what the leader is doing or fall behind. Clearly the G 35 family was born to attack the 3 family from the start, so who ever up's the anty- you have to chase or lose ground.
IMO- The 37 did a good job of coming up with a well balanced formula of price, performance, and power to keep on par with the 335i, even if these (2 door performance coupes) are a very small percentage of overall company sales. They did not have to trounce it, just keeping up with the 3s has been tough for all competitors for the last 10 years.
But now with the new M3, even if this is much smaller segment of buyers, bragging rights will again fall to the propeller boys.
Ford knew it 50 years ago, 'win on sunday, sell on monday'. It was a company mantra, racing was just a very expensive marketing program that worked very well, and still does. These are eye candy for most buyers, get them in the showroom, dazzle them with sports cars, and shake hands on the family movers.
Not to mention those 2 non functioning air scoops in the bottom of the sports bumper on the 37 still convince me something is coming....
Your on this one quick! I think the want to match model for model in this segment, or maybe need to match is a better way to put it. However costly it may be to produce coupe's that don't carry the sales load, if they want to be in this level and place in the market, they have to match what the leader is doing or fall behind. Clearly the G 35 family was born to attack the 3 family from the start, so who ever up's the anty- you have to chase or lose ground.
IMO- The 37 did a good job of coming up with a well balanced formula of price, performance, and power to keep on par with the 335i, even if these (2 door performance coupes) are a very small percentage of overall company sales. They did not have to trounce it, just keeping up with the 3s has been tough for all competitors for the last 10 years.
But now with the new M3, even if this is much smaller segment of buyers, bragging rights will again fall to the propeller boys.
Ford knew it 50 years ago, 'win on sunday, sell on monday'. It was a company mantra, racing was just a very expensive marketing program that worked very well, and still does. These are eye candy for most buyers, get them in the showroom, dazzle them with sports cars, and shake hands on the family movers.
Not to mention those 2 non functioning air scoops in the bottom of the sports bumper on the 37 still convince me something is coming....
Infiniti hasn't attempted to target the M3 or that category to date but it makes sense that could be an option. BMW has been smart to try and cover more ground with the entry level BMW 135. It could be an option for Infiniti to launch a lower level car too although not so sure that will happen. In some ways it makes a tougher new model choice for Infiniti.
I personally like the idea of a car in between the GTR and the G37 however it's a very small market with a strong leader there now.
What we see with the next Z may give us some more clues on Infiniti's direction too.
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good point, i forgot about the Z family and what they could offer there for the same segment, that would drive a lot of enthusists if they used that to counter the M, name, hertiage, icon and all that, good angle.
I am not so sure the 135 will do so well, the 318 failed, the small mercedes has had to have many facelifts and an AMG package before male buyers would shop it, and I dont see a sub or near $30k infiniti doing well against the already price increasing Nissan line up, so I agree with you here.
As small as the buyer group is for fast $50 to $60k coupes, IMO it is as small for the 135 and SLK, A3, C30 line ups. There are soo many good choices for just a few pesos more that I think many buyers would rather take a larger payment or wait a little longer for that much more car. Infiniti would never offer 330 HP in a stripped down G37, if they were, they already have the Altima (FUGLY) coupe to give the power plant to, and that would diss a lot of G buyers.
It is a very interesting time to be a buyer, confusing for sure, but this spring at the NYIAS it should be quite a playland....
I am not so sure the 135 will do so well, the 318 failed, the small mercedes has had to have many facelifts and an AMG package before male buyers would shop it, and I dont see a sub or near $30k infiniti doing well against the already price increasing Nissan line up, so I agree with you here.
As small as the buyer group is for fast $50 to $60k coupes, IMO it is as small for the 135 and SLK, A3, C30 line ups. There are soo many good choices for just a few pesos more that I think many buyers would rather take a larger payment or wait a little longer for that much more car. Infiniti would never offer 330 HP in a stripped down G37, if they were, they already have the Altima (FUGLY) coupe to give the power plant to, and that would diss a lot of G buyers.
It is a very interesting time to be a buyer, confusing for sure, but this spring at the NYIAS it should be quite a playland....
Originally Posted by G-WannaBe
good point, i forgot about the Z family and what they could offer there for the same segment, that would drive a lot of enthusists if they used that to counter the M, name, hertiage, icon and all that, good angle.
I am not so sure the 135 will do so well, the 318 failed, the small mercedes has had to have many facelifts and an AMG package before male buyers would shop it, and I dont see a sub or near $30k infiniti doing well against the already price increasing Nissan line up, so I agree with you here.
As small as the buyer group is for fast $50 to $60k coupes, IMO it is as small for the 135 and SLK, A3, C30 line ups. There are soo many good choices for just a few pesos more that I think many buyers would rather take a larger payment or wait a little longer for that much more car. Infiniti would never offer 330 HP in a stripped down G37, if they were, they already have the Altima (FUGLY) coupe to give the power plant to, and that would diss a lot of G buyers.
It is a very interesting time to be a buyer, confusing for sure, but this spring at the NYIAS it should be quite a playland....
I am not so sure the 135 will do so well, the 318 failed, the small mercedes has had to have many facelifts and an AMG package before male buyers would shop it, and I dont see a sub or near $30k infiniti doing well against the already price increasing Nissan line up, so I agree with you here.
As small as the buyer group is for fast $50 to $60k coupes, IMO it is as small for the 135 and SLK, A3, C30 line ups. There are soo many good choices for just a few pesos more that I think many buyers would rather take a larger payment or wait a little longer for that much more car. Infiniti would never offer 330 HP in a stripped down G37, if they were, they already have the Altima (FUGLY) coupe to give the power plant to, and that would diss a lot of G buyers.
It is a very interesting time to be a buyer, confusing for sure, but this spring at the NYIAS it should be quite a playland....