High Octane Myths - another gas thread
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From: Waterloo, Ont.
Ok sorry. It's just that, to me, your type reads in a condescending and sarcastic tone.
pfft, i was told by some jack *** in his early 60s that passes by my work all the time saying my car should only be taking regular and that my engine was designed for it. I straight up laughed in his face no joke and told him he knows nothing of new cars.
I don't know that the quality is really any different, but there are lots of state regulations on how the gasoline is blended which adds to the cost. Also, the fact that California can't be reached by pipeline from any refineries East of the Rockies makes the price even higher.
Okay, but obviously more supply would mean cheaper prices. California is the largest gasoline market in the world and the majority of West Coast refineries are run at near capacity to keep up with demand.
Also, to edit my previous statement regarding pipeline access to California...I should say it is limited, not non-existent.
Also, to edit my previous statement regarding pipeline access to California...I should say it is limited, not non-existent.
Last edited by OKStateG35; Mar 26, 2010 at 03:56 PM.
Okay, but obviously more supply would mean cheaper prices. California is the largest gasoline market in the world and the majority of West Coast refineries are run at near capacity to keep up with demand.
Also, to edit my previous statement regarding pipeline access to California...I should say it is limited, not non-existent.
Also, to edit my previous statement regarding pipeline access to California...I should say it is limited, not non-existent.
If they were allowed to drill more and expand existing or build new refineries, the supply and demand would sway in consumers favor... but that wont happen.
CA wont let anyone build more refineries... so what is here (which are all really, really old) are constantly going through turn-arounds (various refinery maintenance) - when that happens, often times production slows...
If they were allowed to drill more and expand existing or build new refineries, the supply and demand would sway in consumers favor... but that wont happen.
If they were allowed to drill more and expand existing or build new refineries, the supply and demand would sway in consumers favor... but that wont happen.
Many of the majors, including the company I work for, are moving away from the refining business because it's simply not profitable. Of course the American public will tell you otherwise.
I completely agree. Everyone wants lower prices, but nobody wants to do anything about it.
Many of the majors, including the company I work for, are moving away from the refining business because it's simply not profitable. Of course the American public will tell you otherwise.
Many of the majors, including the company I work for, are moving away from the refining business because it's simply not profitable. Of course the American public will tell you otherwise.
Nothing compared to E&P though. The margins are razor thin at many refineries across the country. Some even run at losses. Cap and Trade would also have a major negative impact.
Last edited by OKStateG35; Mar 26, 2010 at 04:24 PM.
Refineries are felling the pinch though... they are pressing hard on companies that provide service for them to lower prices... but they wont be closing shop anytime soon... unless CARB continues its ways - however, I predict that will change now that they have been exposed...
I get in this arguement all the time with people.
Car designed for 87 octane...coworker puts in 93 and insists it's "better" for the engine as it gets better fuel economy and performance when "the computer see's the higher octane and adjusts for it"
I put 93 in my G35 because there is a recommendation for it, but if the owners manual said 87 was all that was required, i would put 87 in and call it a day. Has nothing to do with being cheap. It's just wasteful.
If your engine takes 5W-30 oil, would you put 10w-40 in it? Okay, not the same thing, but i view fuel requirements almost like oil. What does the manufacturer recommend...vs what the owner *thinks* is best for the car. Owners these days all tend to have mechanical engineering degrees and highly calibrated butt-meters that can sense minute changes in power and economy.
Car designed for 87 octane...coworker puts in 93 and insists it's "better" for the engine as it gets better fuel economy and performance when "the computer see's the higher octane and adjusts for it"
I put 93 in my G35 because there is a recommendation for it, but if the owners manual said 87 was all that was required, i would put 87 in and call it a day. Has nothing to do with being cheap. It's just wasteful.
If your engine takes 5W-30 oil, would you put 10w-40 in it? Okay, not the same thing, but i view fuel requirements almost like oil. What does the manufacturer recommend...vs what the owner *thinks* is best for the car. Owners these days all tend to have mechanical engineering degrees and highly calibrated butt-meters that can sense minute changes in power and economy.
