(vid) Vette, Viper, V8 Lotus....BURP!
hey i am in chicago and i dont know about events like this..I would really like to take part and may be attend some school if they have one close by..i am in palatine and have the sedan, but who cares, this seemed like a lot of fun, also i am getting my C6 soon..so that also i would like to use..please some information on where I can look for events like these would be wonderful..
thanks
btw nice video and great editing...
thanks
btw nice video and great editing...
Crazi- I'm glad you liked the videos. This group runs twice a year, but there are many other Midwestern events as well. PM me or Riffster if you are interested.
BTW, Drag Day November 13th, with a rain date of the 20th.
BTW, Drag Day November 13th, with a rain date of the 20th.
Great vids! But no offense, if the viper is going 5 mph coming out of the corner, and you are going 30mph out of the corner, you still aren't going to beat the viper on a straightaway
Looks to me like they were taking it easy, but none the less, good driving!
Looks to me like they were taking it easy, but none the less, good driving!
Try 50 mph vs 75 mph......the Viper hit his brakes before the corner, I did not. I was fully accelerating through the corner, and he couldn't pull away. R-compound rubber helps tremendously, as does AWD.
Ask the Viper/'Vette/Lotus driver if they were "taking it easy"
These guys were driving their cars as hard as they could.
Nobody is saying that I can beat them in a drag race.......see vid #2 where the Cobra pulls away cleanly in the straights, only to be passed right after the Kink! (at around 95-100)
You can outdrive and outbrake someone and still turn faster lap times with less HP. There was a Mini Cooper S there in April that I could have beaten in a drag race starting in second gear..........putting up sub-3 minute lap times!
The video doesn't accurately convey the sensation of speed. We were hitting 120+ at three spots (turn 1, turn 5, turn 12)
Ask the Viper/'Vette/Lotus driver if they were "taking it easy"
These guys were driving their cars as hard as they could.Nobody is saying that I can beat them in a drag race.......see vid #2 where the Cobra pulls away cleanly in the straights, only to be passed right after the Kink! (at around 95-100)
You can outdrive and outbrake someone and still turn faster lap times with less HP. There was a Mini Cooper S there in April that I could have beaten in a drag race starting in second gear..........putting up sub-3 minute lap times!
The video doesn't accurately convey the sensation of speed. We were hitting 120+ at three spots (turn 1, turn 5, turn 12)
Last edited by ChicagoX; Oct 25, 2005 at 03:56 PM.

Good vids and nice lines ChicagoX - the only small criticism I might have is that you don't use all the track in a couple of places, but your apexing is really right on and your brake points are consistent. You also run the left-handers more smoothly than me - I tend to try to bomb the Beastie Coupe through them and end up scrubbing off speed on turn exit.
I'll post my own video in a bit - it's considerably larger and I wait for the end of the video to run the music over credits
- I like my engine noise (not to mention squeals of terror
and also instructional patter between my instructor and I.)As to etiquette on course you have to remember that Novice class drivers tend to have not much track vision. They find that all of sudden a car appears behind them - and often not noticing it for quite a few seconds. Some are also a bit pig-headed in believing that just because they can 'out-drag' you on the straights, they aren't butchering braking and turning so badly that they are still considerably slower.
So you can't get too upset at them - which is difficult because you find your 'rhythm' on track is being killed by someone who isn't paying attention or is being a jerk. I am scoping my rear view for faster cars and I move over when *I* feel it is safe to do so - the trailing car must wait for the wave-by.
I try to remember that when I am passing cars - which I can say I did a lot more than get passed last weekend (the video will attest to that - I swear!) But you have to remember that if a car suddenly seems to have appeared on your six, it didn't just drop down out of the sky - it's hauling the mail faster than you are and you should get out of the way. Newbies don't realize this - for the above reasons.
As to passing Vipers and Esprits - I can see you doing that legitimately, particularly if the driver in those cars are inexperienced and they are running street rubber. The Viper is a twitchy beast - it has tons and tons of grip, until all of sudden it goes away and the rear end breaks loose - newbies tend to be a bit afraid of that (rightly so!) Losing the tail of the big Dodge is not a fun experience I'm told - it's a big and powerful car and you can get really out of shape and in trouble quick if you don't know exactly what to do.
The Esprit is somewhat the same, but I would think the driver is more the issue there - just taking it easy probably. Another possibility is brake fade - the great enemy at Road America - some drivers don't have the right pads/rotors/fluids or are just being newbies - braking too early and too long - wearing the pads and heating them, the rotors and fluid to the point that their brake pedal starts to feel spongey. That is not a good feeling, especially on the end of the Moraine Sweep when you're going 120-140 plus and you have to brake down to about 50 or so for that hard left-hander!!!
Again thanks for the vid and your driving is getting to the point where maybe you should consider joining me in the Advanced session next year (Group B) - great apexing and braking, and good lines on 80% of the turns. On a few turns you don't use the full track-out. As an instructor told me 'You paid for all the track - use it!'
- Riff
P.S. My best time was 2:54 and change - but 6MT4Me (the guy who is the instructor in the video I will post later this week) did even better - a 2:49.04 in his 2004 6MT Coupe. The man was obviously moving!
Last edited by Riffster; Oct 26, 2005 at 06:45 PM.
Riffster: Thanks for the critique. I picked up most of the 'tricks' I learned from ride-alongs with you ("nobrakesnobrakesnobrakes"
)
I need to step up to a serious BBK if I'm going to move up and join you.
Downloading your vid now.....
BTW, thanks again for setting everything up. I had a blast, and so did "The Prof"
)I need to step up to a serious BBK if I'm going to move up and join you.
Downloading your vid now.....
BTW, thanks again for setting everything up. I had a blast, and so did "The Prof"
Last edited by ChicagoX; Oct 27, 2005 at 12:48 AM.



