Coupe Bizzack Tires
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Coupe Bizzack Tires
Hey I was reading about the Blizzack tires and heard that after about 5,000 miles they are not very efficient any more. They have silica layer on the top and once it has worn the tires are almost useless. Can anyone confirm this because I am thinking about getting a used set for the G this winter. Thanks
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Hi Danno,
I don't know. But I heard the same that you did. The Blizzaks have a softer compound for their top layer. After that layer wears off, their is a harder compound beneath. How many miles before that layer wears off? No idea. But I'd rather a tire that was softer all the way through - I want the ultimate traction, no compromises. Besides, here in the Northeast, we get at most 2 snow storms a month. At most. The rest of the time, the roads are dry and I want to drive as fast as I usually do. Therefore...
I opted for the Dunlop WinterSport M3's instead of the Blizzaks. In my opinion, Blizzaks have much too aggressive and knobby of a tread design...the M3's allow for more contact with the pavement, offer better traction in dry and wet than the Blizzaks, create less road noise, from all the research that I've done. And my M3's have great wet traction and hydroplaning resistance. I do believe they are the choice of most G35 (Coupe and Sedan) owners, from what I"ve seen on these forums. I spent a good deal of time reading through various threads on various forums before making my purchase.
Just look at the tread design of the two...you tell me which tire looks more like a tire for a performance vehicle.
The Blizzak LM-25 is Bridgestone's Performance Winter tire developed for the drivers of high performance sportcars, sport coupes and sport sedans that require winter driving traction on dry, wet and snow-covered roads. Blizzak LM-25 winter tires are designed to combinegood snow and ice traction with "European" high-speed winter driving performance.
The Blizzak LM-25 winter tire's overall combination of capabilities is made possible by Bridgestone's UNI-T technology that brings advanced tire technologies together. Innovative tire design, construction and tread compound help maximize the tire's performance, ride quality and wear while providing traction inwinter.
Blizzak LM-25 winter tires feature a directional tread design with rounded tread shoulders to increase hydroplaning resistance on wet and slush-covered roads while enhancing dry and wet road handling. They use a high silica content winter tread compound to combine winter traction with high-speed durability (the current Multicell tread compounds used on most Blizzak winter tires cannot support H- or V-speed ratings). The Blizzak LM-25 features an independent block tread design that employs the Lamellen "edge effect" with multiple three dimensional ("3D") zigzag sipes specifically placed in the tread blocks to providethe biting edges needed to help grip snow and ice for winter traction without resorting to traditional metal studs.
Dunlop SP Winter Sport M3 and SP Winter Sport M3 DSST (Dunlop Self-Supporting Technology run-flat tires) are Performance Winter tires that were developed to blend dry road performance with snow traction. They are sized for sports cars, coupes and sedans that come from the factory equipped with low profile tires mounted on large diameter alloy wheels and are engineered to deliver performance and traction whether the road is snow-covered or not.
Both versions of the SP Winter Sport M3 feature a silica based tread compound that remains pliable in cold temperatures. Using Dunlop V-Technology, this compound is molded into a directional tread design that helps maintain good traction on wet and slush-covered roads while its high-density lateral zigzag sipes and independent tread blocks provide the edges to help bite into snow.
Hope that helps. There are quite a few threads about this already in the Tech subforum, under Wheels and Suspension. Good luck.
I don't know. But I heard the same that you did. The Blizzaks have a softer compound for their top layer. After that layer wears off, their is a harder compound beneath. How many miles before that layer wears off? No idea. But I'd rather a tire that was softer all the way through - I want the ultimate traction, no compromises. Besides, here in the Northeast, we get at most 2 snow storms a month. At most. The rest of the time, the roads are dry and I want to drive as fast as I usually do. Therefore...
I opted for the Dunlop WinterSport M3's instead of the Blizzaks. In my opinion, Blizzaks have much too aggressive and knobby of a tread design...the M3's allow for more contact with the pavement, offer better traction in dry and wet than the Blizzaks, create less road noise, from all the research that I've done. And my M3's have great wet traction and hydroplaning resistance. I do believe they are the choice of most G35 (Coupe and Sedan) owners, from what I"ve seen on these forums. I spent a good deal of time reading through various threads on various forums before making my purchase.
Just look at the tread design of the two...you tell me which tire looks more like a tire for a performance vehicle.
Taken from Tire Rack
The Blizzak LM-25 is Bridgestone's Performance Winter tire developed for the drivers of high performance sportcars, sport coupes and sport sedans that require winter driving traction on dry, wet and snow-covered roads. Blizzak LM-25 winter tires are designed to combinegood snow and ice traction with "European" high-speed winter driving performance.
The Blizzak LM-25 winter tire's overall combination of capabilities is made possible by Bridgestone's UNI-T technology that brings advanced tire technologies together. Innovative tire design, construction and tread compound help maximize the tire's performance, ride quality and wear while providing traction inwinter.
Blizzak LM-25 winter tires feature a directional tread design with rounded tread shoulders to increase hydroplaning resistance on wet and slush-covered roads while enhancing dry and wet road handling. They use a high silica content winter tread compound to combine winter traction with high-speed durability (the current Multicell tread compounds used on most Blizzak winter tires cannot support H- or V-speed ratings). The Blizzak LM-25 features an independent block tread design that employs the Lamellen "edge effect" with multiple three dimensional ("3D") zigzag sipes specifically placed in the tread blocks to providethe biting edges needed to help grip snow and ice for winter traction without resorting to traditional metal studs.
Dunlop SP Winter Sport M3 and SP Winter Sport M3 DSST (Dunlop Self-Supporting Technology run-flat tires) are Performance Winter tires that were developed to blend dry road performance with snow traction. They are sized for sports cars, coupes and sedans that come from the factory equipped with low profile tires mounted on large diameter alloy wheels and are engineered to deliver performance and traction whether the road is snow-covered or not.
Both versions of the SP Winter Sport M3 feature a silica based tread compound that remains pliable in cold temperatures. Using Dunlop V-Technology, this compound is molded into a directional tread design that helps maintain good traction on wet and slush-covered roads while its high-density lateral zigzag sipes and independent tread blocks provide the edges to help bite into snow.
Hope that helps. There are quite a few threads about this already in the Tech subforum, under Wheels and Suspension. Good luck.
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Very nice reply AthensBlueG. Thank you, you have influenced me to go with the Dunlop tires. Nice to see another Athens blue driver around. I am in northern CT now, maybe I will see you at a meet sometime.
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Funny, but, other companies are trying to copy the Bridgestone
patent on the Blizzak's. That to me spells excellence.
Once the softer compound wears out. The tire becomes an ALL season
tire. You typically get 2 -3 seasons of use. What that means in miles?
Dont know.
I went with Blizzak. A little bit more $$$$ BUT you get what you pay
for IMO
patent on the Blizzak's. That to me spells excellence.
Once the softer compound wears out. The tire becomes an ALL season
tire. You typically get 2 -3 seasons of use. What that means in miles?
Dont know.
I went with Blizzak. A little bit more $$$$ BUT you get what you pay
for IMO
Another good option is the michelin alpine pa2, which has gotten good reviews on tirerack. I picked up a set from costco with their coupon special for ~$700 installed in the 225/50 235/50 sizes
Originally Posted by speedgeek
I have Dunlop Winter Sport M3..great winter tire. no complaints.
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Originally Posted by BadBoy06
Funny, but, other companies are trying to copy the Bridgestone
patent on the Blizzak's. That to me spells excellence.
Once the softer compound wears out. The tire becomes an ALL season
tire. You typically get 2 -3 seasons of use. What that means in miles?
Dont know.
I went with Blizzak. A little bit more $$$$ BUT you get what you pay
for IMO
patent on the Blizzak's. That to me spells excellence.
Once the softer compound wears out. The tire becomes an ALL season
tire. You typically get 2 -3 seasons of use. What that means in miles?
Dont know.
I went with Blizzak. A little bit more $$$$ BUT you get what you pay
for IMO
Btw, I printed out Tire Rack's quote and brought it to Town Faire Tire (a local chain in New England). I got a set of 225/45/18 all around, mounted and balanced for $942.19. They matched Tire Rack's price of $180/tire and then slapped on $30 for balance and mounting and lifetime flat repair on each tire = net charge, $210/tire installed (they only match pricing with comparable services, hence the extra $30 per tire.
I know I'm not running a staggered setup right now, with 225/45/18 all around, but it's been working fine - I don't drive too aggressively on winter tires - they're too soft due to the sipes to have any real fun, therefore I rarely see my SLIP control engage. Plus without a stagger, nothing prevents me from rotating the tires, thus getting 2x the life out of them. I expect this set to last me a good 3 seasons, and by then I'll probably sell the car to get the 09 coupe.
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Originally Posted by AthensBlueG
If that's true, I'm glad I didn't get the Blizzaks. All seasons SUCK. They're not a good choice for a RWD with 270 ft/lbs torque. I want soft tires...I don't care if they wear out faster...I want the ultimate traction. I like to drive aggressively at times, and the last thing I want is to lose traction at the wrong moment because I didn't get a softer compound tire.
Btw, I printed out Tire Rack's quote and brought it to Town Faire Tire (a local chain in New England). I got a set of 225/45/18 all around, mounted and balanced for $942.19. They matched Tire Rack's price of $180/tire and then slapped on $30 for balance and mounting and lifetime flat repair on each tire = net charge, $210/tire installed (they only match pricing with comparable services, hence the extra $30 per tire.
I know I'm not running a staggered setup right now, with 225/45/18 all around, but it's been working fine - I don't drive too aggressively on winter tires - they're too soft due to the sipes to have any real fun, therefore I rarely see my SLIP control engage. Plus without a stagger, nothing prevents me from rotating the tires, thus getting 2x the life out of them. I expect this set to last me a good 3 seasons, and by then I'll probably sell the car to get the 09 coupe.
Btw, I printed out Tire Rack's quote and brought it to Town Faire Tire (a local chain in New England). I got a set of 225/45/18 all around, mounted and balanced for $942.19. They matched Tire Rack's price of $180/tire and then slapped on $30 for balance and mounting and lifetime flat repair on each tire = net charge, $210/tire installed (they only match pricing with comparable services, hence the extra $30 per tire.
I know I'm not running a staggered setup right now, with 225/45/18 all around, but it's been working fine - I don't drive too aggressively on winter tires - they're too soft due to the sipes to have any real fun, therefore I rarely see my SLIP control engage. Plus without a stagger, nothing prevents me from rotating the tires, thus getting 2x the life out of them. I expect this set to last me a good 3 seasons, and by then I'll probably sell the car to get the 09 coupe.
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Blizzak LM-22 Performance winter tires
Blizzak LM-22 Performance winter tires were developed to combine good snow and ice traction with European high-speed winter driving performance. Available in low profile, H-speed rated sizes; Blizzak LM-22 tires are for the drivers of high performance sport cars, sport coupes and sport sedans who require winter driving traction on dry, wet and snow-covered roads.
Blizzak LM-22 studless winter tires feature a directional tread design to enhance hydroplaning resistance on wet and slush-covered roads with rounded tread shoulders to enhance dry and wet road handling. Their tread compound has a high silica content instead of the Multicell tread compounds used on other Blizzak winter tires. This allows Blizzak LM-22 tires to combine winter traction with H-speed rated durability (current Multicell compounds can not support 130 mph H-speed ratings). The Blizzak LM-22 tires feature an independent block tread design which employs the Lamellen "edge effect" (multiple biting edges in the tread blocks to help grip snow and ice) to enhance winter traction without resorting to traditional metal studs.
The Blizzak LM-22 winter tire's overall combination of capabilities is made possible by Bridgestone's UNI-T technology that brings advanced tire technologies together, taking performance to a new level. Innovative tire design, construction and tread compound help maximize the tire's performance, ride quality and wear while providing traction in winter.
Blizzak LM-22 winter tires meet the industry's severe snow service requirements and are branded with the snowflake-on-the-mountain symbol.
NOTE: Snow platform indicators (the equivalent of snow wear bars) are molded into the Blizzak LM-22's tread grooves to inform the driver when ice and snow traction will be reduced as the tire's tread wear reaches the point where the remaining tread depth becomes less effective in deep snow.
Install Blizzak LM-22 tires in sets of four only.
Blizzak LM-22 studless winter tires feature a directional tread design to enhance hydroplaning resistance on wet and slush-covered roads with rounded tread shoulders to enhance dry and wet road handling. Their tread compound has a high silica content instead of the Multicell tread compounds used on other Blizzak winter tires. This allows Blizzak LM-22 tires to combine winter traction with H-speed rated durability (current Multicell compounds can not support 130 mph H-speed ratings). The Blizzak LM-22 tires feature an independent block tread design which employs the Lamellen "edge effect" (multiple biting edges in the tread blocks to help grip snow and ice) to enhance winter traction without resorting to traditional metal studs.
The Blizzak LM-22 winter tire's overall combination of capabilities is made possible by Bridgestone's UNI-T technology that brings advanced tire technologies together, taking performance to a new level. Innovative tire design, construction and tread compound help maximize the tire's performance, ride quality and wear while providing traction in winter.
Blizzak LM-22 winter tires meet the industry's severe snow service requirements and are branded with the snowflake-on-the-mountain symbol.
NOTE: Snow platform indicators (the equivalent of snow wear bars) are molded into the Blizzak LM-22's tread grooves to inform the driver when ice and snow traction will be reduced as the tire's tread wear reaches the point where the remaining tread depth becomes less effective in deep snow.
Install Blizzak LM-22 tires in sets of four only.
i had LM-22s one winter, excellent tires even in packed snow or ice.(great for snow drifting) But once weather warmed up, they were quickly destroyed by my driving. I will need to order two new rear ones this winter. 
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I bought used blizzaks last year with at least one season on them, and went thru the whole winter from last November to almost April, and looking at them while putting them on this year, they still look brand new to me. They are excellent in the snow, in the rain, on ice, and on dry pavement. I make at least 7-10k miles on them thru the winter, and it looks like they will last at least 4-5 years. Any winter tire is good in the winter, but I'm happy with my blizzaks.