^^agreed.

its pretty cool to do it though

I feel badass when I do it

 

maybe because its pretty useful... you could do shift locks for drifting but I don't think the tranny likes that.

 

same happens to me but i have a hard time starting it after it stalls ?????

im also a new stick driver

 

lol

 

We're talking about every day driving here, not drifting. Driving on public roads, to be honest, if your heel toe shifting corners, you're driving too hard. To the OP, PM me, I have a set of videos for you to watch. They're all about the older gen M5 and how to drive it (due to the fact that clutches were going out in <20k on those) and is "taught" by a guy who really knows what hes talkin about. Sometimes, just seeing someone do something correctly and hearing how its supposed to sound can really help your own driving skill.

 

You can heel-toe and rev match when driving at 9/10ths or 2/10ths. Either way you are saving your tranny and clutch when doing it correctly. You would agree that you don't have to mash on the brake pedal AT ALL in order to heel toe properly. It completely depends on what gear you are already in and what speed you are decelerating at. If I am taking an exit on an interstate that requires me to slow down to 45 mph I see absolutely nothing wrong with a heel toe from 5th to 4th. I doubt anyone would really consider that driving too hard.

 

By itself it isn't the end all be all. But being able to do it properly is often times indicative of where you stand on ladder of learning how to drive a manual properly. If you haven't even gotten to this point and don't even really know what it is then 96/100 times you can assume the driver is a relative beginner of sorts. That is all I meant.

 

wow! thank god im not the only one thats happened to! rofl....i remember being in a rental once and slamming the brakes thinking its the clutch.

 

I've definitely stalled a few times when I first bought my G 6MT but after owning it about 6 months I really got the hang of the car. I noticed when I am driving normally and shift around 3-3500rpm and start gassing it when the clutch is about 4/5th of the way up I don't notice the shift as much. The last time I stalled out was coming off the freeway exit with the gas light on and when I was in the middle of the turn the engine stalled out along with the steering and everything else! Not fun when you got your wife freaking out sitting shotgun! lol But anyway, I hope that helps. If not then I suggest going to something like the Bondurant racing school where they really show you how to drive a car instead of just using it!

 

I stalled mine a few times when I first got it and about 3-4 more times in the last year and a half.

 

I dont think ive stalled my car but two or three times when i first got it, also burnt the clutch like hell. But now i dont think i could stall if i tryed.

 

I found my self bucking a bit when I first got the car. Lowering the engagement point helped a bunch. Now it's like second nature. If you're thinking about when to shift each time, then you need to practice more. I think a big mistake is to watch the RPM gauge for each shift. I prefer to shift from the sound of the engine and the vibration of the car...of course, that's when I don't have the radio thumpin too loud

 

OK...start your car with the clutch depressed and then take both feet off the pedals! If you don't stall your not trying hard enough. LOL

I'm sorry...your comment had me imagining someone actually TRYING to stall.

 

I don't know how long you've been driving stick, but to be honest, there's two reasons I stopped doing what your talking about on the street. One, I'm just too damn lazy to do that anymore. Neutral coast + brakes + double clutch back into gear when I need to. Mindless and effort less. Two, I don't think that the differnce in deceleration is that great across the two and the more you downshift, the more gas you use... and well, my pockets aren't lined with money. I guess if your still in that "I wonder if the person behind me can hear me downshift while my brake lights are on" phase of 16-21 years old... yeah, you feel cool... or whatever. However, 90% of the stick driving public doesn't even know what heel toe is. The last time I actually heel toed on the street, I was doing 120 mph up an off ramp trying to make a green light (which one car had triggered, and its about a 3-5 minute stay between lights) so yeah, I was being foolish, but thats the only time in months I've bothered, and look at that, I was over driving the car when I did it. Also, if you think, moderate, 4k blips while heel toeing is "practice" for doing it on the track... uh... no. Simply put, stop thinking that. Downshifting to 4k in the lower gear while riding (b/c 90% of the time to blip the throttle that lightly, you have to be boarderline riding the brakes) is nothing compaired to heavy on the brakes and downshifting to almost 7k in the prior gear. If it makes you feel like a better driver because you can do it on the street, improperly, and only half assed (sorry but thats what your doing) good for ya, however, the day you make a mistake on the street (say your foot slips off the brake, you miss your slight blip and panic, many many things that can happen while attempting this) you endanger people around you. On the track, if you really mess up that bad, well, say hello to Mr. Haystack, if your lucky enough to not meet his friend, Mr. Concrete Wall. All things considered, I'll save the fancy footwork for where it counts. Go go firebird international. Oh and TruG, as far as Bondurant goes, they do not teach you how to drive stick in their courses. If you cant, they have a nice Pontiac Grand Am automatic that youll be driving for the day.

 

Fair enough.
LOL, hardly! I would actually venture that 99% have no clue and the vast majority of the places I do it do not have people around that could hear(as if it mattered for anyone to).
Aight.
Agreed. Although I don't advise anyone to heel-toe to redline the prior gear. Do what you will on a car you want to thrash though...
That would be good for someone, except I never said it, so words in my mouth really aren't necessary.
I am very well aware of the dangers involved. BUT, it CAN be done on the street in situations that do not endanger others. If I go flying off a sweeping offramp then only I eat it. I have tracked enough to know how easy it is to make a mistake.