G35 Security?
you can use all of the above and it will slow them down. even better, get an alarm that pages you so by the time they get through all that crap, the police are on the way. or.. if you ended up buying the gun, you can shoot their *** while they are sawing steering wheel. lol
The OEM alarm is decent for an OEM alarm, but it does have a pretty obvious flaw.
You can disarm the alarm and unlock the doors from the outside of the car, if you know what you are doing, without the car making a sound.
Check this out for more info: https://g35driver.com/forums/audio-video-electronics/136819-oem-security-system-upgrade.html
You can disarm the alarm and unlock the doors from the outside of the car, if you know what you are doing, without the car making a sound.
Check this out for more info: https://g35driver.com/forums/audio-video-electronics/136819-oem-security-system-upgrade.html
Originally Posted by icab
Have you ever seen those news segments on car thieves turned good after getting caught? They talk about how car thieves think and operate. Here's part of an article a quick google search found:
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Some popular devices
Cooper describes some of the most popular auto security devices, and the drawbacks that allow thieves to get around them:
1. Bar or wheel locks: Steering wheel bars lock up the steering wheel; wheel locks prevent the theft of wheels and tires.
How to get around them: All it takes is a pair of bolt cutters or a hacksaw. "They saw through the steering wheel, slide off the bar lock and hot-wire the car. It takes anywhere from 15-30 seconds," Cooper said.
2. Audible alarms: Known in the industry as "nuisance alarms," these alerts are intended to scare thieves away.
How to get around them: Audible alarms are almost universally ignored. Additionally, a professional thief can cut a wire and silence the alarm in seconds.
3. Pedal locks: This device locks the brakes.
How to get around them: They can be bridged or cut in 15-60 seconds.
4. Electronic immobilizing devices: These devices are designed to disconnect all power from the starter, preventing thieves from bypassing the ignition and hot-wiring the vehicle. They can be installed at the factory or purchased as an aftermarket item.
How to get around them: Seasoned thieves dismantle these systems or wire around them in seconds, usually by cutting two wires. Additionally, thieves easily find override or valet switches used by owners to disarm the systems.
5. Tracking systems: These devices transmit a radio signal to locate the car.
How to get around them: Tracking devices can be removed at a chop shop before a theft is reported. Or the car can be stripped and dumped before the owner finds out it's been stolen.
6. Solenoid immobilizer systems: Although categorized as an immobilizer, this kind of system is based on a different principle than most electronic security systems. PowerLock is one example. It attaches permanently to the vehicle's starter motor, where it effectively prevents hot-wiring. Once installed, such a system is impossible to remove, bypass or disable.
How to get around them: It can't be hot-wired, says Cooper. "A system like this is virtually impossible to circumvent," he says. The only way to steal a car protected by such a system is to tow it away.
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The news segments I have seen also these immobilizers attached to the starter is the most effective (and expensive) way to deter thieves.
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Some popular devices
Cooper describes some of the most popular auto security devices, and the drawbacks that allow thieves to get around them:
1. Bar or wheel locks: Steering wheel bars lock up the steering wheel; wheel locks prevent the theft of wheels and tires.
How to get around them: All it takes is a pair of bolt cutters or a hacksaw. "They saw through the steering wheel, slide off the bar lock and hot-wire the car. It takes anywhere from 15-30 seconds," Cooper said.
2. Audible alarms: Known in the industry as "nuisance alarms," these alerts are intended to scare thieves away.
How to get around them: Audible alarms are almost universally ignored. Additionally, a professional thief can cut a wire and silence the alarm in seconds.
3. Pedal locks: This device locks the brakes.
How to get around them: They can be bridged or cut in 15-60 seconds.
4. Electronic immobilizing devices: These devices are designed to disconnect all power from the starter, preventing thieves from bypassing the ignition and hot-wiring the vehicle. They can be installed at the factory or purchased as an aftermarket item.
How to get around them: Seasoned thieves dismantle these systems or wire around them in seconds, usually by cutting two wires. Additionally, thieves easily find override or valet switches used by owners to disarm the systems.
5. Tracking systems: These devices transmit a radio signal to locate the car.
How to get around them: Tracking devices can be removed at a chop shop before a theft is reported. Or the car can be stripped and dumped before the owner finds out it's been stolen.
6. Solenoid immobilizer systems: Although categorized as an immobilizer, this kind of system is based on a different principle than most electronic security systems. PowerLock is one example. It attaches permanently to the vehicle's starter motor, where it effectively prevents hot-wiring. Once installed, such a system is impossible to remove, bypass or disable.
How to get around them: It can't be hot-wired, says Cooper. "A system like this is virtually impossible to circumvent," he says. The only way to steal a car protected by such a system is to tow it away.
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The news segments I have seen also these immobilizers attached to the starter is the most effective (and expensive) way to deter thieves.
nats key almost impossible to bypass except without a nissan consult and a dealer code and a call to infiniti.the nats works thru the bcm to send canbus data to the other modules that make the car work,there is no bypassing it .
i have the dealer training and the wiring diagrams and schematics to prove it.
the powerlock system still must be fed power to lock and unlock,which means that there is a control module,if it locks by 12 volts so it will unlock by knowing basic wiring.all it is is a solenoid that breaks the high current wire at the starter,bypassed via a flathead screwdriver if you can get to the startermotor,if you cant,find the aftermarket harness under the hood and follow it to the soleniod and jump the 2 big terminals together,done.
i own a shop that does custom wiring and nissan dealer work for electronics.if there was a way to bypass the nats key i have tried it and there is no way that you can cross two wires and it will start,it doesnt send voltage it send serial data ,lots of 1's and 0's,all encrypted.
i am not trying to bash anyone but the chipped keys get a bad rap because stupid people leave the spares in the glove box.
if you want to keep your car get a small gps unit and geo fence the car and have it page you if it leaves the area.
now ford keys are a whole other story ,but are they still in business i cant remember.ouch sorry
Originally Posted by superduperjeff
i think you got 4 and 6 mixed up,
nats key almost impossible to bypass except without a nissan consult and a dealer code and a call to infiniti.the nats works thru the bcm to send canbus data to the other modules that make the car work,there is no bypassing it .
i have the dealer training and the wiring diagrams and schematics to prove it.
i own a shop that does custom wiring and nissan dealer work for electronics.if there was a way to bypass the nats key i have tried it and there is no way that you can cross two wires and it will start,it doesnt send voltage it send serial data ,lots of 1's and 0's,all encrypted.
nats key almost impossible to bypass except without a nissan consult and a dealer code and a call to infiniti.the nats works thru the bcm to send canbus data to the other modules that make the car work,there is no bypassing it .
i have the dealer training and the wiring diagrams and schematics to prove it.
i own a shop that does custom wiring and nissan dealer work for electronics.if there was a way to bypass the nats key i have tried it and there is no way that you can cross two wires and it will start,it doesnt send voltage it send serial data ,lots of 1's and 0's,all encrypted.
A G35/350Z can be entered, started, and driven off in in less then 3 minutes by a professional, and that includes bypassing ALL Nissan anti theft measures.
The link above will eliminate the biggest hole in the security, it still amazes me that Nissan makes anti theft systems like that!
Originally Posted by icab
Have you ever seen those news segments on car thieves turned good after getting caught? They talk about how car thieves think and operate. Here's part of an article a quick google search found:
-----------
Some popular devices
Cooper describes some of the most popular auto security devices, and the drawbacks that allow thieves to get around them:
1. Bar or wheel locks: Steering wheel bars lock up the steering wheel; wheel locks prevent the theft of wheels and tires.
How to get around them: All it takes is a pair of bolt cutters or a hacksaw. "They saw through the steering wheel, slide off the bar lock and hot-wire the car. It takes anywhere from 15-30 seconds," Cooper said.
2. Audible alarms: Known in the industry as "nuisance alarms," these alerts are intended to scare thieves away.
How to get around them: Audible alarms are almost universally ignored. Additionally, a professional thief can cut a wire and silence the alarm in seconds.
3. Pedal locks: This device locks the brakes.
How to get around them: They can be bridged or cut in 15-60 seconds.
4. Electronic immobilizing devices: These devices are designed to disconnect all power from the starter, preventing thieves from bypassing the ignition and hot-wiring the vehicle. They can be installed at the factory or purchased as an aftermarket item.
How to get around them: Seasoned thieves dismantle these systems or wire around them in seconds, usually by cutting two wires. Additionally, thieves easily find override or valet switches used by owners to disarm the systems.
5. Tracking systems: These devices transmit a radio signal to locate the car.
How to get around them: Tracking devices can be removed at a chop shop before a theft is reported. Or the car can be stripped and dumped before the owner finds out it's been stolen.
6. Solenoid immobilizer systems: Although categorized as an immobilizer, this kind of system is based on a different principle than most electronic security systems. PowerLock is one example. It attaches permanently to the vehicle's starter motor, where it effectively prevents hot-wiring. Once installed, such a system is impossible to remove, bypass or disable.
How to get around them: It can't be hot-wired, says Cooper. "A system like this is virtually impossible to circumvent," he says. The only way to steal a car protected by such a system is to tow it away.
----------------
The news segments I have seen also these immobilizers attached to the starter is the most effective (and expensive) way to deter thieves.
-----------
Some popular devices
Cooper describes some of the most popular auto security devices, and the drawbacks that allow thieves to get around them:
1. Bar or wheel locks: Steering wheel bars lock up the steering wheel; wheel locks prevent the theft of wheels and tires.
How to get around them: All it takes is a pair of bolt cutters or a hacksaw. "They saw through the steering wheel, slide off the bar lock and hot-wire the car. It takes anywhere from 15-30 seconds," Cooper said.
2. Audible alarms: Known in the industry as "nuisance alarms," these alerts are intended to scare thieves away.
How to get around them: Audible alarms are almost universally ignored. Additionally, a professional thief can cut a wire and silence the alarm in seconds.
3. Pedal locks: This device locks the brakes.
How to get around them: They can be bridged or cut in 15-60 seconds.
4. Electronic immobilizing devices: These devices are designed to disconnect all power from the starter, preventing thieves from bypassing the ignition and hot-wiring the vehicle. They can be installed at the factory or purchased as an aftermarket item.
How to get around them: Seasoned thieves dismantle these systems or wire around them in seconds, usually by cutting two wires. Additionally, thieves easily find override or valet switches used by owners to disarm the systems.
5. Tracking systems: These devices transmit a radio signal to locate the car.
How to get around them: Tracking devices can be removed at a chop shop before a theft is reported. Or the car can be stripped and dumped before the owner finds out it's been stolen.
6. Solenoid immobilizer systems: Although categorized as an immobilizer, this kind of system is based on a different principle than most electronic security systems. PowerLock is one example. It attaches permanently to the vehicle's starter motor, where it effectively prevents hot-wiring. Once installed, such a system is impossible to remove, bypass or disable.
How to get around them: It can't be hot-wired, says Cooper. "A system like this is virtually impossible to circumvent," he says. The only way to steal a car protected by such a system is to tow it away.
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The news segments I have seen also these immobilizers attached to the starter is the most effective (and expensive) way to deter thieves.
that about sums it up
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We use GuidePoint for all of our vehicles. Unlike LoJack it allows you to put a 'fence' around your car's location (via a website) and they call you if it leaves that area.
Includes a lot of other cool features, but that has been my favorite as I often park my car too far away to hear. And when on vacation, there is no way to know if it would be where you left it, this way you can look it up on the net.
http://www.guidepointsystems.com
Includes a lot of other cool features, but that has been my favorite as I often park my car too far away to hear. And when on vacation, there is no way to know if it would be where you left it, this way you can look it up on the net.
http://www.guidepointsystems.com
Originally Posted by KPierson
The transponder info is stored in the ECU and it is actually very easy to bypass. Actually, it's amazingly easy.
A G35/350Z can be entered, started, and driven off in in less then 3 minutes by a professional, and that includes bypassing ALL Nissan anti theft measures.
The link above will eliminate the biggest hole in the security, it still amazes me that Nissan makes anti theft systems like that!
A G35/350Z can be entered, started, and driven off in in less then 3 minutes by a professional, and that includes bypassing ALL Nissan anti theft measures.
The link above will eliminate the biggest hole in the security, it still amazes me that Nissan makes anti theft systems like that!
actually its stored in the bcm in the kick panel,which feeds canbus to the ecu to allow the car to start according to infinitis own manuals.and please explain how a person can bypass this in 3 minutes.its not that its not possible but it would require some serious hardware and that cars proper pin code to learn in new keys,so please tell me how amazingly easy this is. as for the factory alarm its just that a factory alarm designed to appease the govt insurance regulators and is really weak as far as security goes.
but i am still stick to the fact that a nats key is pretty secure,and i have been doing automotive electronics for about 18 years,so i have a pretty firm grasp on it and i do nissan dealer electronics,from repair to remote starts and everything in between.not meaning to get all high and mighty but i have never been able to get past one even with the hardware at my access from the dealer.i am just really curious.
superduperjeff > i imagine it would take an ECU reflash - but that technology is out there now. Rewriting all of the ECU code opens up a lot of possibilities - all you'd have to do is enter the transponder code for the key you own...
I'm not sure if the original key is required to get the reflash to take - that would prevent this but not sure nissan thought that far ahead...
Someone from technosquare or uprev would have to comment on this. Hopefully if anyone releases ECU reflash hardware as a product it will be fairly well locked down to prevent a would-be thief from using it to steal cars.
I'm not sure if the original key is required to get the reflash to take - that would prevent this but not sure nissan thought that far ahead...
Someone from technosquare or uprev would have to comment on this. Hopefully if anyone releases ECU reflash hardware as a product it will be fairly well locked down to prevent a would-be thief from using it to steal cars.
Last edited by rcdash; Mar 17, 2007 at 11:31 AM.
I think the people at technosquare would disagree with you:
http://www.technosquareinc.com/faq.htm#canigetspare
Say you have a 'spare' ECU laying around with keys already programmed to it. Say you can unplug and plug a new ECU in with minimal effort (dropping one panel that snaps in to place). Say you then hold a programmed key near the ignition while you hot wire it.
I, myself, have never done this, but people have been claiming to do this for years. If the code is stored in the BCM (which I find hard to believe, but I don't know first hand) accessing and swapping out the BCM would take an extra 30 seconds.
So, you pop a lock with a screwdriver, ground out the 'unlock' wire and the alarm is disarmed and all the doors are unlocked. One guy jumps in the passengers side, removes the under dash panel and plugs in his 'spare' ECU. While he is doing this, another guy tears apart the under dash (1 phillips screw, 4 10mm bolts) and accesses the main ignition harness (an possibly the BCM if necesarry, as it is right there). With the new hardware plugged in you hot wire the car, with the key near the ignition key cylinder (it won't actually go in, as it isn't keyed correctly), and the car starts right up, unlocked the mechanical steering lock (this too I have never verified, but I have told it unlocks when the car is started).
In under 3 minutes, with minimal damage the car is completely gone. If they are pros they will also bring a powerful GPS jammer which will prevent the car from knowing where it is.
http://www.technosquareinc.com/faq.htm#canigetspare
Originally Posted by www.technosquareinc.com/faq.htm
The current Nissan models have an immobilizer chip build in each car with its own key for thief prevention. This means that you CAN NOT get another ECU and run your car. It will not start. However, we can duplicate your immobilizer into another ECU.
I, myself, have never done this, but people have been claiming to do this for years. If the code is stored in the BCM (which I find hard to believe, but I don't know first hand) accessing and swapping out the BCM would take an extra 30 seconds.
So, you pop a lock with a screwdriver, ground out the 'unlock' wire and the alarm is disarmed and all the doors are unlocked. One guy jumps in the passengers side, removes the under dash panel and plugs in his 'spare' ECU. While he is doing this, another guy tears apart the under dash (1 phillips screw, 4 10mm bolts) and accesses the main ignition harness (an possibly the BCM if necesarry, as it is right there). With the new hardware plugged in you hot wire the car, with the key near the ignition key cylinder (it won't actually go in, as it isn't keyed correctly), and the car starts right up, unlocked the mechanical steering lock (this too I have never verified, but I have told it unlocks when the car is started).
In under 3 minutes, with minimal damage the car is completely gone. If they are pros they will also bring a powerful GPS jammer which will prevent the car from knowing where it is.
ah yes both very valid points,but the nats code in stored in the bcm,not the ecu.
you can swap ecu's all day long and the car will still not start without the valid nats/bcm canbus signal to the bcm.the nats ring has four wires going to it,power ground serial in and out.when the bcm which the nats ring wires go to,sees the valid code it will then along the canbus lines send the proper signals to start the car,you cannot just swap bcm,s as they are programmed to work with all other canbus modules in the car which is why you need a consult2 (with the proper card)to reprogram a ,bcm,ecu,or idpm.nissan engineers are actually pretty smart,as you must call infiniti,with the printout from you bcm,(read off of the consult)a dealer code,and then get the valid pin code for our cars to get into program mode,again you must have a consult2.
is it possible to swap out the bcm,ecu,idpm, and then hotwire a car and drive it away,sure but then wouldn't you be stealing cars worth more than 30k.
one of the guys i hang with and occasionally i do fraud investigation work for,is an insurance adjuster/investigator and he told me that in his companies history they have never had a nissan/infiniti after 2002 stolen without a key.
the same he said can be said about most modern cars with the exception of a lot of domestics.most cars with chipped keys are taken because of carelessness or the customer not understanding how important key saftey is.its funny he said whenever they find a stolen newer car he said the keys are usually in the ignition,because the spare set was in the console.
i am not trying to be a smart ***,and i think that kp tech dude knows his stuff as he has some seriously cool stuff on his site,some of which i am going to order,but i think someone may have let ken away with tales of theft and mayhem but these threads allways make people think that any 12 year old can steal our cars and that is just not so,if they want it they will wait beside it with a gun and ask in a polite manner for your keys.
which you will hand over with some gas money as well.or they pour some oil on the ground and drag it onto a flat deck,gone.but then why would you steal
new escalades and part them out for more.
my 2 cents.(1.6 cents u.s.d)
you can swap ecu's all day long and the car will still not start without the valid nats/bcm canbus signal to the bcm.the nats ring has four wires going to it,power ground serial in and out.when the bcm which the nats ring wires go to,sees the valid code it will then along the canbus lines send the proper signals to start the car,you cannot just swap bcm,s as they are programmed to work with all other canbus modules in the car which is why you need a consult2 (with the proper card)to reprogram a ,bcm,ecu,or idpm.nissan engineers are actually pretty smart,as you must call infiniti,with the printout from you bcm,(read off of the consult)a dealer code,and then get the valid pin code for our cars to get into program mode,again you must have a consult2.
is it possible to swap out the bcm,ecu,idpm, and then hotwire a car and drive it away,sure but then wouldn't you be stealing cars worth more than 30k.
one of the guys i hang with and occasionally i do fraud investigation work for,is an insurance adjuster/investigator and he told me that in his companies history they have never had a nissan/infiniti after 2002 stolen without a key.
the same he said can be said about most modern cars with the exception of a lot of domestics.most cars with chipped keys are taken because of carelessness or the customer not understanding how important key saftey is.its funny he said whenever they find a stolen newer car he said the keys are usually in the ignition,because the spare set was in the console.
i am not trying to be a smart ***,and i think that kp tech dude knows his stuff as he has some seriously cool stuff on his site,some of which i am going to order,but i think someone may have let ken away with tales of theft and mayhem but these threads allways make people think that any 12 year old can steal our cars and that is just not so,if they want it they will wait beside it with a gun and ask in a polite manner for your keys.
which you will hand over with some gas money as well.or they pour some oil on the ground and drag it onto a flat deck,gone.but then why would you steal
new escalades and part them out for more.
my 2 cents.(1.6 cents u.s.d)
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Originally Posted by icab
Have you ever seen those news segments on car thieves turned good after getting caught? They talk about how car thieves think and operate. Here's part of an article a quick google search found:
-----------
Some popular devices
Cooper describes some of the most popular auto security devices, and the drawbacks that allow thieves to get around them:
1. Bar or wheel locks: Steering wheel bars lock up the steering wheel; wheel locks prevent the theft of wheels and tires.
How to get around them: All it takes is a pair of bolt cutters or a hacksaw. "They saw through the steering wheel, slide off the bar lock and hot-wire the car. It takes anywhere from 15-30 seconds," Cooper said.
2. Audible alarms: Known in the industry as "nuisance alarms," these alerts are intended to scare thieves away.
How to get around them: Audible alarms are almost universally ignored. Additionally, a professional thief can cut a wire and silence the alarm in seconds.
3. Pedal locks: This device locks the brakes.
How to get around them: They can be bridged or cut in 15-60 seconds.
4. Electronic immobilizing devices: These devices are designed to disconnect all power from the starter, preventing thieves from bypassing the ignition and hot-wiring the vehicle. They can be installed at the factory or purchased as an aftermarket item.
How to get around them: Seasoned thieves dismantle these systems or wire around them in seconds, usually by cutting two wires. Additionally, thieves easily find override or valet switches used by owners to disarm the systems.
5. Tracking systems: These devices transmit a radio signal to locate the car.
How to get around them: Tracking devices can be removed at a chop shop before a theft is reported. Or the car can be stripped and dumped before the owner finds out it's been stolen.
6. Solenoid immobilizer systems: Although categorized as an immobilizer, this kind of system is based on a different principle than most electronic security systems. PowerLock is one example. It attaches permanently to the vehicle's starter motor, where it effectively prevents hot-wiring. Once installed, such a system is impossible to remove, bypass or disable.
How to get around them: It can't be hot-wired, says Cooper. "A system like this is virtually impossible to circumvent," he says. The only way to steal a car protected by such a system is to tow it away.
----------------
The news segments I have seen also these immobilizers attached to the starter is the most effective (and expensive) way to deter thieves.
-----------
Some popular devices
Cooper describes some of the most popular auto security devices, and the drawbacks that allow thieves to get around them:
1. Bar or wheel locks: Steering wheel bars lock up the steering wheel; wheel locks prevent the theft of wheels and tires.
How to get around them: All it takes is a pair of bolt cutters or a hacksaw. "They saw through the steering wheel, slide off the bar lock and hot-wire the car. It takes anywhere from 15-30 seconds," Cooper said.
2. Audible alarms: Known in the industry as "nuisance alarms," these alerts are intended to scare thieves away.
How to get around them: Audible alarms are almost universally ignored. Additionally, a professional thief can cut a wire and silence the alarm in seconds.
3. Pedal locks: This device locks the brakes.
How to get around them: They can be bridged or cut in 15-60 seconds.
4. Electronic immobilizing devices: These devices are designed to disconnect all power from the starter, preventing thieves from bypassing the ignition and hot-wiring the vehicle. They can be installed at the factory or purchased as an aftermarket item.
How to get around them: Seasoned thieves dismantle these systems or wire around them in seconds, usually by cutting two wires. Additionally, thieves easily find override or valet switches used by owners to disarm the systems.
5. Tracking systems: These devices transmit a radio signal to locate the car.
How to get around them: Tracking devices can be removed at a chop shop before a theft is reported. Or the car can be stripped and dumped before the owner finds out it's been stolen.
6. Solenoid immobilizer systems: Although categorized as an immobilizer, this kind of system is based on a different principle than most electronic security systems. PowerLock is one example. It attaches permanently to the vehicle's starter motor, where it effectively prevents hot-wiring. Once installed, such a system is impossible to remove, bypass or disable.
How to get around them: It can't be hot-wired, says Cooper. "A system like this is virtually impossible to circumvent," he says. The only way to steal a car protected by such a system is to tow it away.
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The news segments I have seen also these immobilizers attached to the starter is the most effective (and expensive) way to deter thieves.
sorry 1 other point,the reason technosquare cant just send out a new ecu is that the ecm,bcm and idpm get keyed to each car they know their home and do not play well with others.so yes they are right and wrong,the ecu will not work without the matching bcm as they are a matching set,it is possible to swap stuff around but it must all be reprogrammed to work with each other,they do not self learn.key to bcm -bcm to ecu-ecu to idpm.