i dunno what you talking about man...
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There's a large handful of people out there who don't have insurance or licenses or the skills to be driving at the current speed limits causing accidents everyday, so I don't think we need it to be any higher than it is.

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if they don't have insurance/licenses they shouldn't be on the road on the first place...so...no matter what the speed limit is...its no difference

the thing is that...there are roads/highways in europe where there wouldn't be speed limits (cross countries highways) and the ironic thing is that their accident rates are about 20% of what we have here...so..speed is not what cause accidents...
speed limit IS determined with safety in mind..i am just trying to argue that if some people decided to drive a little faster (+10mph) with a pack of 20 cars...i think its pretty safe and cops shouldn't just pull one of them over and give them a ticket...but instead...try to catch some maniac who drives like +50mph of the flow of traffic...you dig?

 

Right on, takuyaah. I understand the thought of "speed limits are determined with safety in mind" but you cannot honestly say that most car cannot be safely driven at higher speeds than most of the posted speed limits. The only vehicles I can think of that cannot safely drive faster are larger trucks and older cars made before the 80s that were not designed well for handling. I find it ironic that a cop would give a speeding ticket like the one I got to the driver of a sport-coupe such as our Gs that is designed to handle and brake well at "high" speeds, as opposed to giving one to a s***-box trying to do the same. Which one is more dangerous?... Thought so.

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First off, I like how you argue only part of my statement that works for you and say that people without licenses/insurance shouldn't be on the road, but fail to address the fact that some people with those two but no skills still cause accidents at current limits. Brilliant! People with no skills are still out there and still smashing into cars everyday. I think speed is a factor in the accident. Some idiot rear ended me a few days ago on the freeway because he was driving too fast and close for his own good.

Also, if you're talking about the autobahn, its a completely different animal. It doesn't make sense to make comparisons between the two. Just to name two confounding variables, gas is $5/gal in Europe so not just anyone can drive and you also have to have professional training and pay about $2K for the license. If you're not talking about the autobahn, I'd like to see where you got those figures. I'm assuming you probably just heard it from someone's sister's cousin's friend. Anyone can manipulate the numbers and say for example, that Somalia doesn't have speed limits and yet they haven't experienced a single accident.

The law is the law. It's simple as that. I don't know how they decided 65mph is a reasonable limit, but they came to the conclusion and so far I haven't seen any protests or popular support for it changing. Going over 10mph is still breaking the law and if people go over 10mph do you think 11mph is okay? 12mph? 13mph? Until you can get some credible evidence that upping the speed limit won't cause more accidents, no, I don't dig. I admit I speed, but like they say, "if you're gonna do the crime, be man enough to do the time."

 

ok..in your case..how do you define "skills" then? ..since u love the laws so much...that also means that everyone with a driver's license is driving legally ..so they do possess "skills" by your definition...so...whoever rear ended you was doing it skillfully...so dun bitch about it and "be man enough to do the time" do YOU have skill? if you do u should've avoided that accident...whateverz man..accident is accident...it happens...at least they r paying for it

again...if you can read...i said it many times i did not encourge people to speed..and if they get caught....they shouldn't blame people...but i am just arguing that if there is a pack of cars who speed in a reasonable speed (+10mph or so) is a lot safer than one car trying to do some crazy stuff in a +50 mph and swtiching lanes and what not

i did not say anything about upping the speed limit..so YOU said that...i didn't....i just simply said that the highways are DESIGNED for higher speed driving than posted

i am happy that you speed...i could give a damn about it man...u speed so much that you got rear ended...good job man

 

man...I didnt wanna start a freakin war up here....[censored]....ok well heres whats going on. I have to go to court the second week of June, I dont remember the exact day off hand, I believe its a Wednesday. My lawyer said Im gonna be ok, but I might walk away with 2 points, so much for my 4 years of perfect driving. Oh yeah THATS the main reason that I'm pissed so all of you can call me immature or call me irresponsible, but Im 20 years old and on a policy that most 40 year olds dream about in the state of New Jersey for insurance. Well, my insurance is gonna go up 500 if I get these two points, and for what? For driving with traffic, barley even speeding, let alone the fact where I was pulled over I was technically doing 6 over by that time. The New Jersey police (just found this out through my lawyer) just got a grant (state and townships) from the gov't to up tickets on seatbelts and speeding. Well, thanks alot Uncle Sam, if I find a way, I'm raping the gov't on tax returns next time around. Cant believe this [censored] sometimes, but what are you gonna do. The worlds motivated by money and I guess a kid in a flashy car is a cops wet dream while checkin for speeds.

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Wow...so many comments I could make I almost had to make a list...



1.) How is a cop pulling you over and issuing you a ticket "harassment?" I mean, you said so yourself that you were speeding, you were the last car in the pack, which ultimately makes it easier for the cop to stop you instead of cutting everyone off to get to the lead car.

2.) You did start a way up here by claiming harassment. You broke the law, and you got nailed, accept it and move on. Other vehicles going faster or even the same speed doesn't justify your case.

3.) Your comments in regards to thanking Uncle Sam for upping the fines for speeding. Would you be mad if the cost of living goes up and you get a raise? I bet not! Well, with the cost of living, everything goes up, wages, fines, GAS, services, etc et cetc... If you are so upset about the fines and the way they are interpreted, how about you take action and write to the government and do something about it instead of venting on a forum with people who really don't care for you speeding either?

I Forget who made the comment, but the one where the cops should be down the road where the accidents are just waiting to happen, etc. There are two types of cops, Road Patrol, and Traffic Cops. Traffic cops do NOTHING but write tickets and handle accidents. Road Patrol does everything that a traffic cop does plus handles your persons crimes and property crimes. Traffic cops work off statistics and complaints where people are speeding and/or accidents are occurring. If there are a boatload of accidents "down the road" thats where they will be. Simple as that....

And as far as the comment in regards to the guy going "120mph... where was the cop at then?" He was probably busy catching the guy that just stole your 18" Coupe wheels, or catching the guy that grabbed your mother's purse and beat her to the ground, or even trying to lure your child into his car so he can put them to rest.... Can't be everywhere at once now can we?

Hate to come down hard, I just really do not think you understand what goes on in the life of a cop. You should understand that people die from speeding, people get hurt, and cops enforce it. Cops do more than you think, but 95% of a citizens interaction with a cop are on traffic stops, and who really thinks cops are "so nice" as they are giving you a ticket, probably not many, so of course they are not well liked. But when they are out there catchin the bad guy while you sleep, the one you didn't know about because the media doesn't care to share the good news, you'll learn to appreciate it....

 

SuperCharged6MT, I can see where you're coming from. I was just making a point that I felt was valid--I never see accidents where I was pulled over, but down the road it happens a lot and there are hardly ever any cops watching over that area. The town I got pulled over in (the one I live in) is only ~6 sq. miles and has one of the lowest crime rates around so, while I applaud their efforts there, I still believe they should be patrolling the more accident-prone areas more frequently... I don't have anything against cops; heck, my best friend is a cop. I'm also a public employee and work along-side of our cops often (different PD dep't than the one that cited me, btw) and most of them are nice people, so I hope you didn't think I was one of those "cop haters."

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i don't portray people as being "cop haters," I portray them as being ignorant. They just do not understand what we do nor do we have the time to explain our reasoning. I do not consider you a "cop hater" or "ignorant," you sound more like a concerned and educated person to me.

Anyhow... I could see you being concerned if you actually sat at the intersection 24 hours a day for a solid week and documented how many accidents occur and how the cops are dealing with it, but I doubt that is happening, so saying they aren't doing anything for the 1-5 minutes you are in that area isn't valid in my opinion.

What intersection or road are you referring to since I live so close to you? Just curious, because if it is in the city I work for, I can tell you right now if something is being done about it.

 

wasnt the speed limit set at 55 mph because that was the optimal fuel efficiency back when they had the gas shortage many years ago. i believe if a state set there speed limit to 55 the state received federal funds. thats where 55 came from. and most states have raised it because todays cars are much better equipped for safety and performance. i agree that speed is a factor in accidents and people should be penalized for EXCESSIVELY and DANGEROUSLY breaking the speed laws. but if you think that the main reason that cops give out tickets is to make the world a safer place, its time to come back from lala land. recently new york city police dept. has started a campaign to increase parking tickets and moving violations to generate income for the city, because the city is short on cash due to sept 11, 2001. new york city has also, in the past, targeted cars with nj plates, because the city was not allowed to impose a commuter tax for people that lived in jersey and worked in ny. the main point of this post, as i understand it, has nothing to do with safety, it has to do with the fact that the police depts all over america, harrass the common hard working tax paying individual. when was the last time a crime was committed and a cop was there to stop it. im sure some crimes are prevented, but can you tell me the last time a cop helped you in any way, besides giving you a ticket. as far as saying that you are playing the game because you have a nice car, i cant think of any profession where you have to more unbiased. is that what we really want, cops that write tickets based on what mood they are in, or because they are racists. i am a minority, i have been harrassed by cops all my life for absolutely nothing. why do you think that people in urban areas dont trust cops and hate them. because those are the people that have been beating them down all there lives. the good ole boy network.. the good ole boy network that lives in nice towns and work in urban areas because thats where they get a job, that dont give a sh*t about the neighborhood and dont give a sh*t about the people. they just come there put in there 8 hours, harrass some people that cant stick up for themselves and go home to there nice house, wife and kids and collect a pay check. now i know that all cops arent like that, but if they continue to harrass people for no reason, that is the perception that people are going to have. hate to get so serious, but this cop thing is very serious, and people need to complain to there congressmen about the harrassment that goes on. and if you think that this harrassment thing is bs, try being a minority and getting stopped by a cop.

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SuperCharged6MT, check your PMs.

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Oh and by the way, if you choose to go to court, you do not waive you right to go to traffic school. At least in California.

 

in those cases, i believe you can always win in court. just have the cop present the radar gun or laser printout which i believe they are required to do if you ask.

 

i am not too sure about that....because it will always be the cop's word against yours....and..if he has it..then u r pretty screwed.....so..dun be too sure...but..50% of the time cops dun show up...just being at the court give u 50% chance to win..not to mention just by showing up the judge usually would reduce the fine.......so ya =)
its true though..u MIGHT waive the right to go to traffic school...depending on the judge..just dun be a butt over there =)

 

03G35BLACK.... when was the last time a cop helped you? That's your question???

When was the last time you actually pulled public record cases and saw how many cops made arrests for violent crimes? Just the other night I nabbed 2 subjects who stole a 1988 Camry....1988!!! Do you REALLY think the owner cared that there car got stolen? I contacted the victim to let her know I recovered her car and made an arrest, what'd she do? Put me on hold, came back, and asked me to call her back later because she was at a friends' house. And you wonder why sometimes we just don't care....

I'm out there putting my life on the line for a $2,000 car, and for what, a citizen that doesn't care? Sad thing is I would do it ten times over and have a victim not care just to finally find one person who actually appreciated what we do....

As far as your comments on the "good ole boy network..." You are right, I purposely go out to the worse neighborhoods, give crack and weed to everyone to smoke, just so I can go out and harass them and made life rough. Damn, someone finally caught on, you are a true Sherlock Holmes. Since you have solved the biggest scam in the world, what will your next accomplishment be? Can you PM your address so I can send you a cookie basket and an award for being the most ignorant person of the month? And while you are at it, can you please send me FACTUAL documentation about NYPD enforcing tickets and parking? And not something you read in the paper, I want FACTUAL information.... Thanks!