im in the 323 area..let me know if u want to borrow mines??

 

Thanks Jon-ugh-10, i've PM'ed couple guys already, but if worst comes to worse, i;ll hit you up. THANKS!!!

 

no problem bro..

 

well u know how it goes the police needs to watch out for those law brakers..


those no front license platers, those front window and tail light tint having criminals..


DUH! gotta keep socal free of crime.. u know how they roll lol

 

Breaking the law is breaking the law.

 

yah but some laws just get you thinking...why?

 

As a former state criminal prosecutor and active criminal defense lawyer I can tell you the reason for equipment violation stops are fairly obvious:

Police officers, from experience, know that modded cars are a sign of either a street racer or baller, or both. Possibly someone with an outstanding warrant for arrest. Many modded cars, particularly in big cities, are modded with stolen parts. It's a big problem here in Chicago. Moreover, associated with the modded car is the greater probability that either driver or passenger are in possession of contraband, often controlled substances. Sometimes firearms.

Many police departments do have a professional performance requirements of their officers for issuance of safety or equipment violation citations. If the violation is only a compliance matter it costs the municipality money out of their pocket. On a traffic stop of the car with illegal tint or the missing front plate the police are looking for that furtive move by driver or passenger, phony VIN tag, or a plain view observation of likely contraband which could lead to an arrest for a misdemeanor or felony. And a seizure of the vehicle.

To a reasonable police officer (and person) missing front plates excessively dark tint, and other mods = a motorist willing to taking risks with the law and likely having something to hide from the law.

 

i completely understand understand your point but then you have to agree that a lot of times it is often ridiculous, of course the officer has no way to tell right off the bat if a person has something to hide by not having his front license plate and someone who doesnt have anything to hide, it just seems that a lot of focus is placed on correcting these petty things as opposed to catching the bigger fish,



and if the officers are on the lookout for people who have something to hide why does the law only apply in some states? does that show that in some states the officers are NOT in the lookout for people who have something to hide?

and what if your car is not modded yet has no front license plate and/or front tint.. you are still being pulled over..and what exactly is it about a person who decides to mod their cars that they would have contraband? so because all of us here on g35driver.com have modded cars there is a greater possibility that we have contraband?



and why would someone in their right mind, if having something to hide, attract MORE attention by having no front license plate, front tints and other mods? i agree that those who have something to hide yet attract more attention should be dealt with, but how exactly does a reasonable person come to the conclusion that if someone decides to mod their car , they have something to hide from the police officer?

 

+1 This all sounds like pig talk to me. Just an excuse to give people a hard time when cops get bored. Anyone with firearms or drugs are less likly to drive a flashy car. Its common sense, on the other hand stolen parts are a lot more likly but then you still going back to this stereotype that people with modded cars are doing something wrong. I can understand tinted lights that obscure the vision of the light or exhausts that obviously break the law weither it be sound or pollution but many of the other excuses just seem like outrageous stereotypes.

 

Because some people act without sense, especially those who constantly act outside the bounds of the law.

The world is not a "vacuum" where events is occur in isolated instances.

And no one is omniscient ("All Knowing"). Not even the police.

My perspective is from the view of law enforcement. In the U.S., while laws in respective states apply to everyone in that state, enforcement of laws is always selective. Chicago has 3 million people but only 11,000 sworn police officers, less than half of which are on duty at any given time. Do the math. The only effective type of law enforcement is proactive.

Certain laws are enforced differently in different geographic reasons for obvious reasons. The U.S. Supreme Court has determined that this constitutional. Non-racial profiling, with a direct correlation to the interest of public safety in a community, is 100% lawful. This explains why a young male is far more likely to be stopped and requested for I.D. on block in Chicago which has experienced recent gang shootings than in a posh suburb.

Just as a lady in her 70s, driving a Mercury Grand Marquis, is a less likely to be stopped for a minor equipment violation than a teen or young adult driving a tinted WRX STi missing a front plate. The police perceive the young driver of the STi as the person who takes greater risks on the public roads.

Why would anyone who had anything to hide want to bring attention to themselves?

Gang members (or wannabees), which I have prosecuted and defended for many years, always do things to bring attention to themselves. They drive tricked-out Escalades with DUBs. Quite a few have warrants out for their arrest and carry guns on them all the time.

They perceive the attention they bring to themselves as garnering respect from their peers. Their position in the community stems from that kind of recognition.

The very mobility that cars offer to people is the very reason why police are more vigilant when it comes to offenses, even minor ones, involving cars.

Some cars, such as G35s, WRXs, and Evos, etc., fall into a law enforcement profile for certain types of drivers engaging in certain types of riskier behavior. Tinting windows, and removing or covering license plates, is only going to draw more attention that which fits the profile.

 

but you are basing all of this on a chicago point of view, just because things happen there doesn't mean that they happen here in california. Like i said the people who are stupid enough to attract attention to themselves while in possession of contraband should be dealt with.

but you still didn't address my claim, so because people on the g35 forums decided to mod their cars or ANYONE on ANY forums decided to mod their cars means that they MOST LIKELY HAVE some contraband? that's an unreasonable claim, i've been to a few g35 meets with plenty of "tricked-out" g35s who didn't necessarily have anything to hide.


the reason i keep bringing up g35s and people who mod them is because of my experience with the g35 world there is a bigger chance that the person modding the car is not some total idiot or a car modding stereotype. Although the g35 world is not without its problems, i tend to see that if a person wants to invest that much money into a car they tend to mod the car with a lot more common sense,

you just seem to be stuck on the idea that someone with a modded car wants to brake the law and most likely they have some kind of contraband. Either this is a result of bad experiences in the past or ignorance on your part. Feel free to quote me on this, but a no front license plate or any other mod that is within reason and does not bring suspicion should be the reason that the police use to pull them over.


Im not sure what your stand is on different types of crimes, but i firmly believe that the police is not making the streets safer by pulling over for such petty problems. Again this is another reason to stereotype people who chose to mod their cars. I am very well aware of the people out there who messed up for us who have a passion for modding cars but that is not a reason to justify the police making a few bucks off of little things like that.


Also something else you didnt adress.. Like i said before not all states in the US have these no front license plate laws and no front tint, is that because the police does not patrol for these things? or is it because it is not a problem there? Also do those states have a lower crime rating or higher crime rating? It just seems that you are basing your whole claim on what you witnessed in Chicago. Well the original poster is from california. Now i ask do you have any experience on the california roads? or any experience with the problems with the police of california?

 

Thanks to all that were willing to help. Just picked up a set yesterday and will get it fixed. Thanks again!!!!!

 

im glad it all worked out for you, i guess you got more than u bargained for, u got a whole court case lol, how much are fixit tickets anyways nowadays?

 

"More than a few G35 "modders" have "messed things up for us...?"

A person investing lots of money in a G tends to mod with a lot more common sense? More common sense than who? A WRX or Lancer modder.

Your experience in law enforcement is exactly what?

I'm not "stuck" on anything other than what the U.S. Supreme Court says.

The U.S. Supreme Court is located in Washington D.C.. It is the final interpretative authority for the U.S. Consitution. The rulings of that Court our binding on the entire nation... not just Chicago.

Haven't you ever been to either Chicago or say L.A.?

Chicago = Big American City with > 2.5 million population.

LA = Big American City with > 3.1 million population.

The rates of criminal activity between these two cities are insignificant.

True that states with larger metropolitan areas and greater population densities have more traffic laws and more rigorous enforcement of those laws than less densely populated areas of the country.

The reason many states require display of front license plates is simple. In fast moving or dense traffic conditions, it may be the only way for law enforcement to identify a vehicle involved in a collision or crime.

Vehicle tint is regulated because it can reduce visibility, especially in night driving, and it can be used to conceal illegal activity within the passenger compartment of the car.

Those laws apply to any car in those states. Not just G35s. Chevy Aveos too. In the case of a G35, or a WRX or Evo, these violations just give police more attention to a car they already are paying attention to for reasons I already explained.

 

i didnt say that the g35 modders have messed things up, i said that my experience in the g35 world has lead me to the conclusion that more often then not people who mod g35s do it out of the passion of modding a car and thus put time and effort into doing so, i said its people who want to show off their cars for that reason alone and do not have the simplest knowledge of cars are the ones who mess things up for the rest of us because now the police has a general suspect in mind and thus use that to target any form of a modded car.

i HAVE been to LA, i actually live about 10 mintues away and am very well aware of its population

my point in bringing up other states it to say that if this was such a big problem that it got all the way up the supreme court, then why dont ALL the states have the same basic laws? again i refer back to what i kept saying about idiots messing things up for the rest of us

and i dont know why you keep on insiting on the idea of contraband. Anything in the car can be used for an illegal purpose, doesnt mean it becomes a law. Limo's have tints, does that according to you mean that the person inside is most likely up to some kind of illegal activity?

and if these laws are so important and such big deals, why are the costs to fix these problems so low? a fix it ticket for a no front license plate is about $10-15 depending on where you live and how nice they want to be with you. So if u feel on making such a big deal out of this and wanting to explain to me that this truly is a big deal, why isn't that backed up by some kind of large fee? recently i received a jaywalking ticket for $120. While i respect and understand the law for that and have my opinions on it, would you say that a thing such as jaywalking is more of a crime then not having a front license plate and/or having front tints that it requires a bigger fine to pay?



I dont have any experience in the law enformecent field this is why i offer those questions to you, and just because i dont have experience in the law enformecent field does not mean that i am not aware of what is goin on with it.