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Old Nov 10, 2008 | 06:36 PM
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....my point in bringing up other states it to say that if this was such a big problem that it got all the way up the supreme court, then why dont ALL the states have the same basic laws? again i refer back to what i kept saying about idiots messing things up for the rest of us

and i dont know why you keep on insiting on the idea of contraband. Anything in the car can be used for an illegal purpose, doesnt mean it becomes a law. Limo's have tints, does that according to you mean that the person inside is most likely up to some kind of illegal activity?

I dont have any experience in the law enformecent field this is why i offer those questions to you, and just because i dont have experience in the law enformecent field does not mean that i am not aware of what is goin on with it.
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For someone who has no experience with law enforcement you sure have an awful lot of criticisms of its workings.

The Tenth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution reserves for the individual states the powers not invoked by the Federal Government. Many of those powers pertain to public safety. That is why each state has its own criminal and traffic code. Some states have a death penalty and others don't. Some states require convicted drunk drivers to wear SCRAM devices while others do not. Some times there are differences in enforcement of an offense which vary from county to county. In our federal form of government the sentiment is that state legislatures are in a better position to determine what is in the best interest of the public safety of the state's citizens.

They used to teach this stuff in Junior Year (high school) U.S. History.

Traffic violation cases make it to the U.S. Supreme Court when Constitutional legal issues need to be resolved at the lower courts. The appeals usually involve Fourth Amendment issues of lawful search and seizure or 5th Amendment issues of due process of law. In the vast majority of these traffic stops, the accused are attempting to suppress from introduction into evidence the discovery of contraband or evidence of other criminal activity. Sometimes extended revocation of driving privileges are concerned.

I don't believe you understand the denotation of "contraband"

Contraband are items of which possession is illegal or distribution is ilegal. Transporting an unloaded gun in a car, in the trunk, in a case, is legal in many states. Yet keeping that gun in the passenger compartment of the car while loaded makes that same gun CONTRABAND. Illegal drugs are per se contraband. Some opiate derived prescription drugs in the possession of a person having the prescription may not be illegal but those same prescription opiates are contraband in the possession of one without the prescription.

Volumes of evidence show that the proliferation of contraband leads to increases in violent crime. States have a great public safety interest in reducing contraband among its citizens. Traffic stops are an effective tool to accomplish this. For this reason drivers do not enjoy the same protections of the Fourth Amendment as they do in their homes. This is why "roadside DUI checks" are legal.

A limousine is a commercial vehicle for hire, unlike a privately owned passenger car. Since the passenger compartment is divided from the driver's area, the illegal activity or contraband in the passenger compartment is normally not considered under the driver's control or within their knowledge.

I do agree with you that those who are not so altruistic in their behavior are "messing things up for the rest of us".
 

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Old Nov 10, 2008 | 06:44 PM
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so just because i dont have experience in the law enforcement field i am not allowed to criticize it? so from a bistander point of view i am not allowed a voice? see thats the problem with people who put man made laws above common sense and logic. i sure hope you dont run for president soon.


you're taking this way too far, obviously i understood your point a long time ago but you are still ignorant to my point of view and others similar point of view, im not going to argue with you on the specific laws because i dont know those.

but at least i know i dont have to showcase how much i know about the law in order to resolve such a petty problem, if you cant understand the reason why these small little things are eventually inefficient and do more wrong then right, thats on you, obviously you think anyone with a modded car is at the mercy of the police officer, then you havent really gotten into the modding world, so please dont try to act if you do know something about it, and if u by some chance are aware of the modding world and know more than the common person and are still arriving at the same conclusion, then you know what its up to you to bend over anytime a person of a higher stature tells you to without a specific good reason only that they said so, you live your life that way




the defense rests.
 

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Old Nov 10, 2008 | 07:07 PM
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... i sure hope you dont run for president soon.

the defense rests.
So you are now an authority on judicial economy. Wow.

If you can persuade a judge to buy your defense, if that is what you call it, I will vote for you.

We'll call it the "Bend you Over" defense.

LOL
 
Old Nov 10, 2008 | 07:16 PM
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i am an authority? when exactly did write that part.. you seem to quote the parts that you like and leave out other things


the reason i said i hope you dont run for president is because its obvious that you dont understand reason and common sense and place man made laws above those and are to ignorant to listen to anything else other than your own opinion.



the reason i put the defense rests was a joke, a relief from all of the tension, if you want to take that and be immature about it, go and do so, im done with you


and there is nothing "bend over" about what i said, you're the one who seems to take anything that is said by people of higher stature without question or criticism
 
Old Nov 10, 2008 | 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by eurodre
i am an authority? when exactly did write that part.. you seem to quote the parts that you like and leave out other things

the reason i said i hope you dont run for president is because its obvious that you dont understand reason and common sense and place man made laws above those and are to ignorant to listen to anything else other than your own opinion.

the reason i put the defense rests was a joke, a relief from all of the tension, if you want to take that and be immature about it, go and do so, im done with you

and there is nothing "bend over" about what i said, you're the one who seems to take anything that is said by people of higher stature without question or criticism
I got the joke. But it isn't a joke when you tell a person whose profession is devoted to upholding the law that following "man made laws" is "bending over". Man-made Laws are what make societies civilized.

I never stated that all laws are absolutely just. I merely stated there exists a rational basis for the specific law you criticized. In our society of laws either we use lawful means to change a law or we abide by it. If we violate laws, out of choice, we face the consequences like adults.

I'm sorry but a law that creates inconvenience or reinforces a stereotype is not "unnecessary."

At least I don't feel so bad being, as you claim, ignorant. I have good company in the majority of the Supreme Court.
 
Old Nov 10, 2008 | 09:14 PM
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ok and your point is? yah i criticized man made laws and you don't seem to understand that it was mere criticism and not an act of defying the laws that were set up to sustain society


like i said you're taking this WAY to far and obviously don't understand the car modding world so please stick to what you know, your opinion has been stated and is out in the open and so is mine, so just drop it unless you want to appear as the ignorant person who cant get over themselves
 
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