Sport-tuned Suspension Package - Needed?
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Hey N80...........I know you!! How the hell've you been? Fine, I hope, the family as well.
The points you make - M3 obssessed as I am - have had me wondering over the last year or so.
For instance, is BMWs 4 year/50,000 mile (I think) no cost maintenance plan actually a cover-up of the (seemingly) way too expensive parts and/or frequency of maintenance one will incur about 2 days after warranty expiration?
Not to mention, I get nothing but OUTSTANDING service @ Infiniti @ very reasonable cost.
For instance #2: Over the weekend Sawgrass Infiniti's super service technician Harley - remember that name S. Florida owners - was able to quickly reverse the direction on the 5AT manumatic to:
PULL - Upshift
PUSH - Downshift
As a task I lack the technical expertise to do - STOP LAUGHING
- it was done in 20 minutes, at little or no cost, a dollar figure not even worth mentioning.
I will leave how sweet it is, that road racing-type (GT3, DTM, etc.) sequential manual setup............for another post.
All I know is I'm one happy camper. ![JAMIN](https://g35driver.com/forums/images/smilies/jammin.gif)
So, if I can't find that bada$$ V8 requiring little or no BS maintenance (aka Lexus IS-F), I may exercise my manufacturer or dealer loyalty option and just "settle" for a G35X Coupe.
Broke-d**k frickin BMWs.
There, I said i.
Later days, dude.
The points you make - M3 obssessed as I am - have had me wondering over the last year or so.
For instance, is BMWs 4 year/50,000 mile (I think) no cost maintenance plan actually a cover-up of the (seemingly) way too expensive parts and/or frequency of maintenance one will incur about 2 days after warranty expiration?
Not to mention, I get nothing but OUTSTANDING service @ Infiniti @ very reasonable cost.
For instance #2: Over the weekend Sawgrass Infiniti's super service technician Harley - remember that name S. Florida owners - was able to quickly reverse the direction on the 5AT manumatic to:
PULL - Upshift
PUSH - Downshift
As a task I lack the technical expertise to do - STOP LAUGHING
![Mad](https://g35driver.com/forums/images/smilies/mad.gif)
I will leave how sweet it is, that road racing-type (GT3, DTM, etc.) sequential manual setup............for another post.
![Driving](https://g35driver.com/forums/images/smilies/driving.gif)
![JAMIN](https://g35driver.com/forums/images/smilies/jammin.gif)
So, if I can't find that bada$$ V8 requiring little or no BS maintenance (aka Lexus IS-F), I may exercise my manufacturer or dealer loyalty option and just "settle" for a G35X Coupe.
Broke-d**k frickin BMWs.
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Later days, dude.
I generally agree but you can't really get a comparably equipped BMW for the same price as a G. And I for one do not have BMW envy in any way. You think maintenance is high on a G? It is my impression that BMW thinks that you should feel honored to pay their frequent and outrageous manitenance and service fees. I've got close friends who are beemer guys. They spend an awful lot of time at the dealership.... Plus, I haven't seen a BMW that I thought was anything but ugly since the mid 70's. The Germans have got the engineering covered but they have zero aesthetic sensibilities. Sometimes their functional form of a BMW can be attractive, but it seems rare and entirely by accident.
The G on the other hand, both coupe and sedan, is simply a beautiful car.
The G on the other hand, both coupe and sedan, is simply a beautiful car.
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Anyway, Tofu.........I forgot I had RAS, too, homie!!
For a mere 750 beans? No way. To include 15.1:1 Vehicle-speed-sensitive power steering ratio?
What a bargain.
My question to you: How do you like it?
I think it's fabulous.
Like Nissan's ATTESSA all-wheel system, it allows me to be somewhat of a hooligan around corners and/or changing lates WITHOUT breaking Road Rule #1: Safety first; no tickets.
Last, but not least, does that mean I'm a crappy driver that needs a bunch of mechanical trickery to keep 'er out of a ditch?
Don't answer.
He gone!
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The points you make - M3 obssessed as I am - have had me wondering over the last year or so.
For instance, is BMWs 4 year/50,000 mile (I think) no cost maintenance plan actually a cover-up of the (seemingly) way too expensive parts and/or frequency of maintenance one will incur about 2 days after warranty expiration?
For instance, is BMWs 4 year/50,000 mile (I think) no cost maintenance plan actually a cover-up of the (seemingly) way too expensive parts and/or frequency of maintenance one will incur about 2 days after warranty expiration?
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You know that my family was killed in a freak circus accident 10 years ago. I still can't even look at a clown. ![Icon27](https://g35driver.com/forums/images/smilies/icon27.gif)
I think that's all very nice. But look at the maintenance 'services' involved in the first 50k miles. Its mostly stuff like "inspect glove box alignment" and "inspect wiper blade speeds". Mostly fluff. Not much real work. In that regard I think most of the maintenance recommended in the first 50k miles is useless and don't waste my money on it. BMW is simply foregoing the shameless profiteering of fleecing the gullable. Nice sentiment but not of much value for those who have neurons above the brainstem.
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I think that's all very nice. But look at the maintenance 'services' involved in the first 50k miles. Its mostly stuff like "inspect glove box alignment" and "inspect wiper blade speeds". Mostly fluff. Not much real work. In that regard I think most of the maintenance recommended in the first 50k miles is useless and don't waste my money on it. BMW is simply foregoing the shameless profiteering of fleecing the gullable. Nice sentiment but not of much value for those who have neurons above the brainstem.
I'm hope not, 'cause while I may be someone that first learned how to take it (quite well) and can thereby dish it out (just as well), a heartless bum I am not.
If you are serious, I did not know, and truly apologize. My bad...
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Regarding BMW's alleged freebie "maintenance plan", you've scientifically broken down the cover-up I alluded to.
So much for owning an M3.
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![Coolio](https://g35driver.com/forums/images/smilies/coolio.gif)
Like someone I know that's near & dear to my heart, who's very cool, fun, and ALWAYS a blast to hang out with.
Is a very athletic, yet super-hot girly girl - I'd say 80% hot mama.
She's lean, fit, somewhat muscular for a lady, but still has a beautiful shape, albeit unable to shake the 20% rough-housing tomboy in her (you'd never notice) that's always trying to kick my butt.
And failing. I wish you'd grow up, already!!!........is what I keep telling her.
(THINK: Angie from Full Throttle Saloon. A cross between her & Pink, the singer; Corey Hart's wife.)
But she's got ugly feet.
![EEK!](https://g35driver.com/forums/images/smilies/eek.gif)
YYYYYYYeah! You know where I'm coming from!
Next time she gets kicked outta bed will be the first.
Crackers, pizza, whatever. Drop the dadgum pepperonis on the comforter. Like I care.
And I'll deny I posted this to my grave. "Wuddn me! I don't know no Bozo."
Later days, dude.
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I considered the sport package a bargain when I bought new based on what it came with and I had no plans to do any modding to it so it was a must have. An aftermarket LSD alone would have pretty much equalled the cost of the entire package. The factory 19" wheels are also dead sexy looking.
Since you are buying used, the price of the package probably isn't as much of a factor and if you plan on swapping out the wheels and the suspension anyways, then it may not be worth it. The LSD would be the only really difficult and costly aftermarket thing to do. I would still go for the sport pkg even if I planned on changing out the wheels and suspension as I would probably get back a nice chunk of change by selling the factory 19"s.
Since you are buying used, the price of the package probably isn't as much of a factor and if you plan on swapping out the wheels and the suspension anyways, then it may not be worth it. The LSD would be the only really difficult and costly aftermarket thing to do. I would still go for the sport pkg even if I planned on changing out the wheels and suspension as I would probably get back a nice chunk of change by selling the factory 19"s.
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Better than the factory sport tuned suspension? You may be right but how do you know that?
I'm just wondering because I have the factory package but I'm wonder if some Tanabe or Hotchkis sways would be better. How can I tell? Just because they say so? And neither of their sites say anything about how they compare to the ones that come with the sport package. You can get some specs on sway bar thickness but that really doesn't say anything about their spring rate and how that compares to the factory sport ones.
The same is true for shocks and coilovers. The main differences you get with coilovers is that virtually all of them lower the car which is NOT desirable for everyone. Some of the shocks and struts are adjustable, which is great, but still no objective comparison with the factory package.
So it seems to me that these various aftermarket suspension kits are probably fine but you have no real objective way of knowing until you laid out the cash and put them on.
I'd like to see some cold hard facts, you know?
I'm just wondering because I have the factory package but I'm wonder if some Tanabe or Hotchkis sways would be better. How can I tell? Just because they say so? And neither of their sites say anything about how they compare to the ones that come with the sport package. You can get some specs on sway bar thickness but that really doesn't say anything about their spring rate and how that compares to the factory sport ones.
The same is true for shocks and coilovers. The main differences you get with coilovers is that virtually all of them lower the car which is NOT desirable for everyone. Some of the shocks and struts are adjustable, which is great, but still no objective comparison with the factory package.
So it seems to me that these various aftermarket suspension kits are probably fine but you have no real objective way of knowing until you laid out the cash and put them on.
I'd like to see some cold hard facts, you know?
With an Aftermarket coilover, the range of motion of the suspension is changed to a higher position so that the ride height is in the middle of the range of motion and there is ample amount of rebound and compression to give the suspension an opportunity to do what it is designed to do which is suspend the car and ABSORB any road imperfections and resist body role and so on and so forth.
OEM Factory sport packages may be sufficient in providing a SLIGHT improvement in performance and handling but only lower the car conservatively and are limited in there level of performance since they have civility and ride comfort in mind when being designed. After all it is a LUXURY sport car. So ride comfort is a significant factor in the final design. In the end you spend lots of money for something that is sub-par and can use improvement anyway. Of course this all depends on preference and what each individual plans on doing with his or her own car.
Im no expert, Im only speaking from experience and I may have mentioned somethings that may be in accurate or false, but this is just my opinion.
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