Manual Mode question
#1
Manual Mode question
5AT here, but when using manual mode, I am concerned with all the play in the gearing...
For instance, in 4th gear, I cost at 1500 rpm, and when I punch it, the needle pops to 3000 rpm and climbs from there.
Similar range in 3rd. 1st is tight, 2nd as well.
This a standard thing? If so, I ain't a fan. I like my gears locked in and firm.
For instance, in 4th gear, I cost at 1500 rpm, and when I punch it, the needle pops to 3000 rpm and climbs from there.
Similar range in 3rd. 1st is tight, 2nd as well.
This a standard thing? If so, I ain't a fan. I like my gears locked in and firm.
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It's difficult to tell you how to drive the AT without your being in the car. When you want immediate response drop it into a lower gear. Driving along in 4th and you need to pass someone in a hurry you drop it into 3rd and nail the throttle, you'll get the reaction you want....I assume you know how to down shift....right? Your AT can be just as much fun as the MT, once you learn when to down shift.
Gary
Gary
#3
I'm sorry, Gary. That isn't at all what I am asking.
In a true manual tranny, each gear is locked into an RPM and speed. For example, 5th gear, at 2000 RPM is 80 mph (previous car). Hitting the gas provides a linear progression of gearing.
In manual mode, at that RPM, the 3rd, 4th and 5th gears act SEMI-automatic. They spring up to a higher RPM and then start applying power.
Almost like there is play in the gear. Or the car is only in a manual mode insofar as you can pick a gear, not actually control your RPMs and power.
In 4th, regardless of RPM, I want to hit the pedal at that RPM and move the car. No matter what RPM.
As it is now, low RPMs act like auto and high RPMs are firm.
Also, when in an automatic car without manual mode, using 2nd or 3rd gear via the shifter provides a very harsh, locked in gearing feeling. I want that in manual mode in this car.
Oh, and your last point. I must respectfully disagree. A true MT is more fun than manual mode, as a real girl is more fun than a blowup doll. And yes, I am doing it right![Smilie](https://g35driver.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
EDIT: I am basically asking if my car is acting right, or if my gears are in any way damaged. The way she's acting is normal?
In a true manual tranny, each gear is locked into an RPM and speed. For example, 5th gear, at 2000 RPM is 80 mph (previous car). Hitting the gas provides a linear progression of gearing.
In manual mode, at that RPM, the 3rd, 4th and 5th gears act SEMI-automatic. They spring up to a higher RPM and then start applying power.
Almost like there is play in the gear. Or the car is only in a manual mode insofar as you can pick a gear, not actually control your RPMs and power.
In 4th, regardless of RPM, I want to hit the pedal at that RPM and move the car. No matter what RPM.
As it is now, low RPMs act like auto and high RPMs are firm.
Also, when in an automatic car without manual mode, using 2nd or 3rd gear via the shifter provides a very harsh, locked in gearing feeling. I want that in manual mode in this car.
Oh, and your last point. I must respectfully disagree. A true MT is more fun than manual mode, as a real girl is more fun than a blowup doll. And yes, I am doing it right
![Smilie](https://g35driver.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
EDIT: I am basically asking if my car is acting right, or if my gears are in any way damaged. The way she's acting is normal?
Last edited by jstudrawa; 06-14-2011 at 11:16 AM.
#4
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I was a bit verbose, let me try another way.
Put the car in 4M. Go 35 miles per hour. RPMs are what? under 2k? Punch it. RPMs instantly go to 3k and you accelerate. I don't want to accelerate big time, it's an example.
Go drive a 6MT. Put it in 4th. Go 35. RPMs are under 2k. Punch it. RPMs are still 2k and you accelerate.
It may be the rev matching bringing the RPMs up to where power is, no clue. Never had a car with that.
Put the car in 4M. Go 35 miles per hour. RPMs are what? under 2k? Punch it. RPMs instantly go to 3k and you accelerate. I don't want to accelerate big time, it's an example.
Go drive a 6MT. Put it in 4th. Go 35. RPMs are under 2k. Punch it. RPMs are still 2k and you accelerate.
It may be the rev matching bringing the RPMs up to where power is, no clue. Never had a car with that.
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There is a big thread about this.
https://g35driver.com/forums/drivetr...look-here.html
You can basically find ALL of the info you are looking for, here.
https://g35driver.com/forums/drivetr...look-here.html
You can basically find ALL of the info you are looking for, here.
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I'm sorry, Gary. That isn't at all what I am asking.
In a true manual tranny, each gear is locked into an RPM and speed. For example, 5th gear, at 2000 RPM is 80 mph (previous car). Hitting the gas provides a linear progression of gearing.
In manual mode, at that RPM, the 3rd, 4th and 5th gears act SEMI-automatic. They spring up to a higher RPM and then start applying power.
Almost like there is play in the gear. Or the car is only in a manual mode insofar as you can pick a gear, not actually control your RPMs and power.
In 4th, regardless of RPM, I want to hit the pedal at that RPM and move the car. No matter what RPM.
As it is now, low RPMs act like auto and high RPMs are firm.
Also, when in an automatic car without manual mode, using 2nd or 3rd gear via the shifter provides a very harsh, locked in gearing feeling. I want that in manual mode in this car.
Oh, and your last point. I must respectfully disagree. A true MT is more fun than manual mode, as a real girl is more fun than a blowup doll. And yes, I am doing it right![Smilie](https://g35driver.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
EDIT: I am basically asking if my car is acting right, or if my gears are in any way damaged. The way she's acting is normal?
In a true manual tranny, each gear is locked into an RPM and speed. For example, 5th gear, at 2000 RPM is 80 mph (previous car). Hitting the gas provides a linear progression of gearing.
In manual mode, at that RPM, the 3rd, 4th and 5th gears act SEMI-automatic. They spring up to a higher RPM and then start applying power.
Almost like there is play in the gear. Or the car is only in a manual mode insofar as you can pick a gear, not actually control your RPMs and power.
In 4th, regardless of RPM, I want to hit the pedal at that RPM and move the car. No matter what RPM.
As it is now, low RPMs act like auto and high RPMs are firm.
Also, when in an automatic car without manual mode, using 2nd or 3rd gear via the shifter provides a very harsh, locked in gearing feeling. I want that in manual mode in this car.
Oh, and your last point. I must respectfully disagree. A true MT is more fun than manual mode, as a real girl is more fun than a blowup doll. And yes, I am doing it right
![Smilie](https://g35driver.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
EDIT: I am basically asking if my car is acting right, or if my gears are in any way damaged. The way she's acting is normal?
You're doing it wrong.
![Wink](https://g35driver.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif)
Our transmissions (at least 05-06 sedans and 05-07 coupes) are true manu-matics. When you are in MM if you're in 4th gear and you punch it, the transmission will NOT downshift. If you're at 1500 RPMs in 4th the engine's gonna bog down and cause a lag. You will need to do what Gary said and manually drop the gear down to 3rd (or 2nd if you're daring) and punch it at the same time. You will take off with a vengeance. However remember you still need to upshift as once again the tranny won't do it for you. You're in true manual mode.
Hope this helps.
#11
You're doing it wrong. ![Wink](https://g35driver.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif)
Our transmissions (at least 05-06 sedans and 05-07 coupes) are true manu-matics. When you are in MM if you're in 4th gear and you punch it, the transmission will NOT downshift. If you're at 1500 RPMs in 4th the engine's gonna bog down and cause a lag. You will need to do what Gary said and manuallt drop the gear down to 3rd (or 2nd if you're daring) and punch it at the same time. You will take off with a vengeance. However remember you still need to upshift as once again the tranny won't do it for you. You're in true manual mode.
Hope this helps.
![Wink](https://g35driver.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif)
Our transmissions (at least 05-06 sedans and 05-07 coupes) are true manu-matics. When you are in MM if you're in 4th gear and you punch it, the transmission will NOT downshift. If you're at 1500 RPMs in 4th the engine's gonna bog down and cause a lag. You will need to do what Gary said and manuallt drop the gear down to 3rd (or 2nd if you're daring) and punch it at the same time. You will take off with a vengeance. However remember you still need to upshift as once again the tranny won't do it for you. You're in true manual mode.
Hope this helps.
I KNOW I have to downshift to hit the powerband when I want to go fast. This has nothing to do with HOW to shift or drive. It's a question of "Is what is happening... supposed to happen".
But, when I am in 4M, I hit the gas, the RPMs pop right up to 3k and I accelerate. I don't accelerate fast, I am not meaning to.
I do not bog, I do not flood the engine, I do nothing.
In a TRUE manual, I would. But not my car.
Read the other responses. They understood what I mean.
I'll see if I can find a safe place to video it.
#12
There is a big thread about this.
https://g35driver.com/forums/drivetr...look-here.html
You can basically find ALL of the info you are looking for, here.
https://g35driver.com/forums/drivetr...look-here.html
You can basically find ALL of the info you are looking for, here.
That video when he's in D vs. 5th... that's it exactly.
Sorry for confusing everyone.
#14
Yeah, if I'm in 5th cruising at lets say 45mph, I can basically floor it a few times basically doing a free-rev as if it were in neutral till it hooks up around 2.5-3k.
#15
Short quick answer. Yes that is normal because the torque converter is not locked up. If you want a direct relation between pushing the gas and the RPM reflecting the gearing then get a Manual. Even in auto mode the torque converter slips when you acclerate. The torque converter runs and operates on fluid pressure.