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Finally got my G35 Tuned (04 5AT) Dyno Inlcuded

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Old May 27, 2016 | 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ScraggleRock
You don't find it strange that everyone in this thread disagrees with your dumb theory? I guess everyone is dumb but you..
I don't find it strange at all because this forum is like 89% retarded. In the last 2 years of having my car I have spent tons of time browsing here. Most of it is follower idiots who just buy $1500 exhaust, $1500 wheels and a motordyne spacer and have no thought for themselves.
The number of people I have seen on this forum who are thinking outside of the very small box.... well its only a handful.
The number of people here who make **** power.... its the majority of this forum.
The common answer to the question of modding a 1st gen is "buy a 2nd gen" because people cannot think for themselves and instantly want the easy way out.

Considering that my friends and I all have fully built cars, and all of different brands and they all make good power suggests that we are people who think outside of the box.
I am currently rebuilding my Honda and am working on making the worlds first VGT powered Civic. In 2008 when I started building my Honda for the first time everyone said the same sort of stupid **** that you are saying, but instead regarding my Single Cam (D-series) engine choice... About how they don't make power, they can't make power, etc.
Well I managed a respectable 343WHP from a $150 turbo and spanked basically all of the nay-Sayers and all the sudden plenty of other people wanted builds like mine.
All the sudden the price of a D16 block here went from $80 to $500. Its all because of the couple of us that thought outside of the box.
When my buddy decided to go RB25 on his 240sx, lots of nay-sayers like you guys talked crap about it not being able to handle power without blowing up, oiling issues, parts issues... always a million reasons why you shouldn't deviate from the crowd.
Guess what? We made one of the highest stock block dyno's in the nation and now the car should be reaching 800+WHP in just a couple months.
A few people around here decided to try to go RB25 too, most failed because there isn't enough "support" they say.

So I don't want to hear about why what I'm doing wont work because its not in the norm.
Tuning is about thinking outside of the box.
Lightening a car doesn't translate to WHP, and lightening the rotating assembly typically doesn't yield measurable nor impressive gains.
 
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Old May 27, 2016 | 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by zcherub
So again, if you dyno a car, then reduce the car's weight by 500 lbs & dyno again, the dyno will read the same for both runs? Good to know! Glad we have an experienced genius tuner like you around to set us all straight!
No problem man, glad to share my knowledge with the rest of this forum.
 
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Old May 27, 2016 | 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Jimster480
I don't find it strange at all because this forum is like 89% retarded. In the last 2 years of having my car I have spent tons of time browsing here. Most of it is follower idiots who just buy $1500 exhaust, $1500 wheels and a motordyne spacer and have no thought for themselves.
The number of people I have seen on this forum who are thinking outside of the very small box.... well its only a handful.
The number of people here who make **** power.... its the majority of this forum.
The common answer to the question of modding a 1st gen is "buy a 2nd gen" because people cannot think for themselves and instantly want the easy way out.

Considering that my friends and I all have fully built cars, and all of different brands and they all make good power suggests that we are people who think outside of the box.
I am currently rebuilding my Honda and am working on making the worlds first VGT powered Civic. In 2008 when I started building my Honda for the first time everyone said the same sort of stupid **** that you are saying, but instead regarding my Single Cam (D-series) engine choice... About how they don't make power, they can't make power, etc.
Well I managed a respectable 343WHP from a $150 turbo and spanked basically all of the nay-Sayers and all the sudden plenty of other people wanted builds like mine.
All the sudden the price of a D16 block here went from $80 to $500. Its all because of the couple of us that thought outside of the box.
When my buddy decided to go RB25 on his 240sx, lots of nay-sayers like you guys talked crap about it not being able to handle power without blowing up, oiling issues, parts issues... always a million reasons why you shouldn't deviate from the crowd.
Guess what? We made one of the highest stock block dyno's in the nation and now the car should be reaching 800+WHP in just a couple months.
A few people around here decided to try to go RB25 too, most failed because there isn't enough "support" they say.

So I don't want to hear about why what I'm doing wont work because its not in the norm.
Tuning is about thinking outside of the box.
Lightening a car doesn't translate to WHP, and lightening the rotating assembly typically doesn't yield measurable nor impressive gains.
The "nay sayers" in your examples here all have to do with platform choice. You're on this form arguing physics, about which you are objectively wrong. Apples & oranges.
 
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Old May 27, 2016 | 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by zcherub
The "nay sayers" in your examples here all have to do with platform choice. You're on this form arguing physics, about which you are objectively wrong. Apples & oranges.
Physics you clearly don't understand because vehicle weight and WHP aren't related.
HP is made by your engine and your engine alone.
Reducing rotational mass is not going to have much of an affect on power regardless.
Like I said before a lightweight flywheel is the best bang for the buck in rotational mass gains, but even there... the gains are typicaly not high. And for most setups they are within dyno margin of error.
 
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Old May 27, 2016 | 03:40 PM
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Haha fully built 250hp sh!tbox.
 
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Old May 27, 2016 | 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ScraggleRock
Haha fully built 250hp sh!tbox.
Built???????
I have like 3-5 small mods.
That isn't a build but keep talking **** because its going to make you look more credible.
 
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Old May 27, 2016 | 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Jimster480
Physics you clearly don't understand because vehicle weight and WHP aren't related.
HP is made by your engine and your engine alone.
Reducing rotational mass is not going to have much of an affect on power regardless.
Like I said before a lightweight flywheel is the best bang for the buck in rotational mass gains, but even there... the gains are typicaly not high. And for most setups they are within dyno margin of error.
WHP (impacted by vehicle weight) vs crank HP (not impacted by vehicle weight) - Google it. Dyno measures WHP.

Why haven't you answered my question above about dyno results before and after a large weight reduction?
 
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Old May 27, 2016 | 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by zcherub
WHP (impacted by vehicle weight) vs crank HP (not impacted by vehicle weight) - Google it. Dyno measures WHP.

Why haven't you answered my question above about dyno results before and after a large weight reduction?
WHP is not impacted by vehicle weight....
You have no link to this, and dyno's done on 2 different days in 2 different kinds of weather with 2 different wheels can be completely different.
Hell we dynoed my buddies car at one shop and then some months later dynoed it at another shop (without any modifications) and the power was completely different.
 
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Old May 27, 2016 | 04:25 PM
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WHP is not impacted by vehicle weight....
You have no link to this, and dyno's done on 2 different days in 2 different kinds of weather with 2 different wheels can be completely different.
Hell we dynoed my buddies car at one shop and then some months later dynoed it at another shop (without any modifications) and the power was completely different.
If you think you can put a pallet of bricks and a baby grand piano in the back of your car and pull the same Dyno numbers, and that any variance is just due to the "weather", then you're special kind of stupid.
 
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Old May 27, 2016 | 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by zcherub
If you think you can put a pallet of bricks and a baby grand piano in the back of your car and pull the same Dyno numbers, and that any variance is just due to the "weather", then you're special kind of stupid.
You will dyno the same exact numbers. You won't accelerate at the same speed though.
 
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Old May 27, 2016 | 05:39 PM
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Finally got my G35 Tuned (04 5AT) Dyno Inlcuded

Originally Posted by zcherub
If you think you can put a pallet of bricks and a baby grand piano in the back of your car and pull the same Dyno numbers, and that any variance is just due to the "weather", then you're special kind of stupid.
loading the car with weight won't effect it. It's rotational mass. it takes much more work to rotate a heavy wheel vs a lightweight wheel
 
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Old May 27, 2016 | 05:52 PM
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loading the car with weight won't effect it. It's rotational mass. it takes much more work to rotate a heavy wheel vs a lightweight wheel
Yep - I just checked with an engineer buddy of mine. Ill be the first to admit I was dead wrong and apologize to OP.

To be clear - I WAS WRONG. REDUCING WEIGHT WILL NOT CHANGE HP #s ON A DYNO.

To quote my engineer buddy:

" power output is unchanged. Practically (on the road vs a dyno) What that power is used for is overcoming the inertia of a greater load so a 500 hp car weighing 5000lbs will perform like a 300 hp car weighing 3000 lbs, but it's power output remains unchanged."

I'll eat crow here. Sorry OP.
 
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Old May 27, 2016 | 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by zcherub
Yep - I just checked with an engineer buddy of mine. Ill be the first to admit I was dead wrong and apologize to OP.

To be clear - I WAS WRONG. REDUCING WEIGHT WILL NOT CHANGE HP #s ON A DYNO.

To quote my engineer buddy:

" power output is unchanged. Practically (on the road vs a dyno) What that power is used for is overcoming the inertia of a greater load so a 500 hp car weighing 5000lbs will perform like a 300 hp car weighing 3000 lbs, but it's power output remains unchanged."

I'll eat crow here. Sorry OP.
No problem man

But yes a lighter car with the same power will typically be faster all things considered (like same engine/gearing).
Yet sometimes the lighter car can be slower (depends on the weight difference) based on the difference in gearing and powerband, etc.
 
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Old May 27, 2016 | 06:05 PM
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After reading more comments I'm ready to say that you people are a special kind of retarded. It's not rocket science although to some of you it would seem like it is.

Less rotational mass will increase performance. Definitely will not increase power output.

Bottom line for you yellow helmet guys

less rotational mass will allow you to utilize more power your engine already makes instead of losing it due to the drivetrain.
 
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Old May 27, 2016 | 06:08 PM
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After reading more comments I'm ready to say that you people are a special kind of retarded. It's not rocket science although to some of you it would seem like it is.

Less rotational mass will increase performance. Definitely will not increase power output.
Already admitted my error and put the correction in all caps so future searchers won't be misled.
 
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