How come G35 doesn't have Fog Lights?
#31
There is no good reason why fog lights are yellow. Here is an
excellent explanation provided by Professor Craig Bohren of Penn State
University:
"First I'll give you the wrong explanation, which you can find here and
there. It goes something like this. As everyone knows, scattering (by
anything!) is always greater at the shortwavelength end of the visible
spectrum than at the longwavelength end. Lord Rayleigh showed this, didn't
he? Thus to obtain the greatest penentration of light through fog, you
should use the longest wavelength possible. Red is obviously unsuitable
because it is used for stop lights. So you compromise and use yellow
instead.
This explanation is flawed for more than one reason. Fog droplets are, on
average, smaller than cloud droplets, but they still are huge compared with
the wavelengths of visible light. Thus scattering of such light by fog is
essentially wavelength independent. Unfortunately, many people learn
(without caveats) Rayleigh's scattering law and then assume that it applies
to everything. They did not learn that this law is limited to scatterers
small compared with the wavelength and at wavelengths far from strong
absorption.
The second flaw is that in order to get yellow light in the first place you
need a filter. Note that yellow fog lights were in use when the only
available headlights were incandescent lamps. If you place a filter over a
white headlight, you get less transmitted light, and there goes your
increased penetration down the drain.
There are two possible explanations for yellow fog lights. One is that the
first designers of such lights were mislead because they did not understand
the limitations of Rayleigh's scattering law and did not know the size
distribution of fog droplets. The other explanation is that someone deemed
it desirable to make fog lights yellow as a way of signalling to other
drivers that visibility is poor and thus caution is in order.
Designers of headlights have known for a long time that there is no magic
color that gives great penetration. I have an article from the Journal of
Scientific Instruments published in October 1938 (Vol. XV, pp. 317-322).
The article is by J. H. Nelson and is entitled "Optics of headlights". The
penultimate section in this paper is on "fog lamps". Nelson notes that
"there is almost complete agreement among designers of fog lamps, and this
agreement is in most cases extended to the colour of the light to be used.
Although there are still many lamps on the road using yellow light, it
seems to be becoming recognized that there is no filter, which, when placed
in front of a lamp, will improve the penetration power of that lamp."
This was written 61 years ago. Its author uses a few words ("seem",
"becoming recognized") indicating that perhaps at one time lamp designers
thought that yellow lights had greater penetrating power. And it may be
that because of this the first fog lamps were yellow. Once the practice of
making such lamps yellow began it just continued because of custom."
Also, take a look at the following web site:
http://www.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF5/593.html
Dr. Lawrence D. Woolf
General Atomics
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excellent explanation provided by Professor Craig Bohren of Penn State
University:
"First I'll give you the wrong explanation, which you can find here and
there. It goes something like this. As everyone knows, scattering (by
anything!) is always greater at the shortwavelength end of the visible
spectrum than at the longwavelength end. Lord Rayleigh showed this, didn't
he? Thus to obtain the greatest penentration of light through fog, you
should use the longest wavelength possible. Red is obviously unsuitable
because it is used for stop lights. So you compromise and use yellow
instead.
This explanation is flawed for more than one reason. Fog droplets are, on
average, smaller than cloud droplets, but they still are huge compared with
the wavelengths of visible light. Thus scattering of such light by fog is
essentially wavelength independent. Unfortunately, many people learn
(without caveats) Rayleigh's scattering law and then assume that it applies
to everything. They did not learn that this law is limited to scatterers
small compared with the wavelength and at wavelengths far from strong
absorption.
The second flaw is that in order to get yellow light in the first place you
need a filter. Note that yellow fog lights were in use when the only
available headlights were incandescent lamps. If you place a filter over a
white headlight, you get less transmitted light, and there goes your
increased penetration down the drain.
There are two possible explanations for yellow fog lights. One is that the
first designers of such lights were mislead because they did not understand
the limitations of Rayleigh's scattering law and did not know the size
distribution of fog droplets. The other explanation is that someone deemed
it desirable to make fog lights yellow as a way of signalling to other
drivers that visibility is poor and thus caution is in order.
Designers of headlights have known for a long time that there is no magic
color that gives great penetration. I have an article from the Journal of
Scientific Instruments published in October 1938 (Vol. XV, pp. 317-322).
The article is by J. H. Nelson and is entitled "Optics of headlights". The
penultimate section in this paper is on "fog lamps". Nelson notes that
"there is almost complete agreement among designers of fog lamps, and this
agreement is in most cases extended to the colour of the light to be used.
Although there are still many lamps on the road using yellow light, it
seems to be becoming recognized that there is no filter, which, when placed
in front of a lamp, will improve the penetration power of that lamp."
This was written 61 years ago. Its author uses a few words ("seem",
"becoming recognized") indicating that perhaps at one time lamp designers
thought that yellow lights had greater penetrating power. And it may be
that because of this the first fog lamps were yellow. Once the practice of
making such lamps yellow began it just continued because of custom."
Also, take a look at the following web site:
http://www.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF5/593.html
Dr. Lawrence D. Woolf
General Atomics
================================================== =======
#32
Originally Posted by Jtrain
No real car has extra mounted fog lights, please.
Here are some "real" cars that have those "ricey" fog lights on the bottom...
Aston Martin Vanguish
Dodge Viper (venom)
Ferrari 550 Marellano
Mercedes McLaren SLR
Maybe you've heard of some of them?
#33
Originally Posted by CoolRider
Well I know they call them fog lights, but traditional fog lights are generally mounted below the front bumper. Has anyone installed aftermarket fogs under the bumper yet?
Actually, I think that real traditional fogs are amber in color to help cut through fog, as white reflects too much, but thats a whole different topic
Actually, I think that real traditional fogs are amber in color to help cut through fog, as white reflects too much, but thats a whole different topic
Studies have also shown that as long as the center of the light is below 24", it penetrates the less dense lower fog layer quite well, and can be focused with the cut-off slightly downward. The lower you mount the fog lights, the less distance you can effectively focus the light without compromising glare. Also, mounted lower sets up odd shadows that are greatly influenced by dips in the road, etc.
The foglights in our Gs are a very good compromise, even though they don't look as cool.
#34
You can penetrate fog as much as you want, but unless the scattering is controller, any light would be useless. Case in point if you were to point a 10,000 candle power spot light right into the fog you still won't see a thing. However if you pull out a 500 candle flash light you might get better luck as you get less scattering and more contrast.
#35
Daniel Stern's article about fog lights. Worth reading
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/t...fog_lamps.html
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/t...fog_lamps.html
#36
Originally Posted by 94gxe
Daniel Stern's article about fog lights. Worth reading
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/t...fog_lamps.html
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/t...fog_lamps.html
#43
Originally Posted by madchef
Are you serious?
Here are some "real" cars that have those "ricey" fog lights on the bottom...
Aston Martin Vanguish
Dodge Viper (venom)
Ferrari 550 Marellano
Mercedes McLaren SLR
Maybe you've heard of some of them?
Here are some "real" cars that have those "ricey" fog lights on the bottom...
Aston Martin Vanguish
Dodge Viper (venom)
Ferrari 550 Marellano
Mercedes McLaren SLR
Maybe you've heard of some of them?
Don't even waste your time with him.
#44