Totalled.
#16
11-16-2005 | 11:53 AM
Originally Posted by giddyup69
+1... why is there such a huge fetish with young inexperienced drivers on these forums driving with vdc off and then trashing their cars. i drive my car fairly hard sometimes and never find the vdc kicking in for me at all, ever. it makes me wonder sometimes what u guys are doing in these cars to promote such awful oversteer. are u just flooring it too hard on turns or over-revving the rpms on a shift change? it really boggles my mind. i apologize if my words sound harsh... but it seems like these threads are popping up like once every week now and the typist is usually in college or *sigh* high school.
Have to pretty much agree with you. Mine will cut in on a hard upshift and in some slow wet conditions when turning.
Inexperience, poor driving conditions, driving hard, VDC safety switch off..... I guess you would have to expect a likely unfortunate outcome.
#18
11-16-2005 | 01:32 PM
You're right you know. I was thinking about the damage. Its fixable (for a cost). However, it's gonna suck b/c there's suspension damage. I hope she drives the same after. The passenger side rear rim was pointing right at the driverside front , and it had the negative camber of a ricer.
And yes, I turned VDC off. Yes, it was a bad decision. Yes I payed for it. Last night was a testimony to arrogance and blind trust in half bald tires on a car that handles amazing in the dry and that I've handled in the wet.
And yes, I turned VDC off. Yes, it was a bad decision. Yes I payed for it. Last night was a testimony to arrogance and blind trust in half bald tires on a car that handles amazing in the dry and that I've handled in the wet.
#20
11-16-2005 | 01:45 PM
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I had a similar situation in my RWD old t-bird, luckily I managed to keep the car from hitting anything. It had the ford traction control, which is totally useless. After driving that t-bird for a few years you learn how to drive without VDC, but I still prefer too keep in on particularly when it’s cold or moist.
Around a turn when its moist out, a hair too much power to the rear wheels can make the rear of the car slide around as if it was on ice. VDC would have automatically cut the power to the wheels and applied the antilock brakes to the slipping wheels. This will save the car unless you truly are on ice or just plain going too fast.
Around a turn when its moist out, a hair too much power to the rear wheels can make the rear of the car slide around as if it was on ice. VDC would have automatically cut the power to the wheels and applied the antilock brakes to the slipping wheels. This will save the car unless you truly are on ice or just plain going too fast.
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11-16-2005 | 04:42 PM
#23
11-16-2005 | 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by GT-Ron
I guess we speak in relative terms. What you consider hard driving likely isn't considered the same by others, especially if your VDC doesn't consider it hard enough to step in.
I only have about 1200 miles on my '05 6MT so far, but I have noticed a decrease in grip from the rear tires. What was once a slightly tail-out corner is now be an easy tail-out corner. ONLY NOW do I consider using the VDC at times. I've been pretty hardcore about turning it off too.
I still contend that's it teaches poor driving skills. If you have to tip-toe the G in a given situation with the VDC off, yet you can lay into it with the VDC on in the same situation, all you've done is learned to drive beyond the limit and relied on the VDC to keep you in line.
I only have about 1200 miles on my '05 6MT so far, but I have noticed a decrease in grip from the rear tires. What was once a slightly tail-out corner is now be an easy tail-out corner. ONLY NOW do I consider using the VDC at times. I've been pretty hardcore about turning it off too.
I still contend that's it teaches poor driving skills. If you have to tip-toe the G in a given situation with the VDC off, yet you can lay into it with the VDC on in the same situation, all you've done is learned to drive beyond the limit and relied on the VDC to keep you in line.
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Sorry to hear about your loss. It must have been a tight / bumpy on-ramp to snap and bang around like that.
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11-16-2005 | 04:52 PM
#25
11-16-2005 | 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by EZZ
So do Pilot Sports but a bald tire is a bald tire is a bald tire 
15k is when you have to start monitoring tire tread on those things anyway. Sorry to hear about your car though
15k is when you have to start monitoring tire tread on those things anyway. Sorry to hear about your car though
I switched to Pilot Sport All/Season, and that problem went away.
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11-16-2005 | 05:21 PM
#27
11-16-2005 | 05:25 PM
Sucks man - hope it works out for you and glad you're ok. I'm not going to rag on the VDC thing since you seem to realize it was a mistake to have it off in those conditions. For the record, I turn mine off religiously when it's dry, too. Like GT-Ron I find it much too intrusive most of the time, but in rain or snow it stays on.
#29
11-16-2005 | 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by GT-Ron
I guess we speak in relative terms. What you consider hard driving likely isn't considered the same by others, especially if your VDC doesn't consider it hard enough to step in.
and how hard can you really push it when you are driving on the street ?
hope you learned your lesson you can always replace your car but not your life ~
#30
11-17-2005 | 01:33 AM
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when i totaled my g the same thing happened i spun out it was wet, but i had my vdc on, so who is to say that if he had vdc on it would have prevented it. i always drive with vdc just because, but today i washed my car and i put meguire's gel on the tires and i was sliding everywhere, their are other reasons why accidents happen in the g besides vdc, it may also have to do with bold tires. My first g had 23,000 miles on it and i replaced the tires twice. I jus reached 20 thousand on my o4 and haven't replaced the tires yet, its all about how hard you drive your car, my 1st one i drove like a maniac i can't stand hearing people blame vdc all the time, it gets annoying