Manual mode
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Originally Posted by Nightops
Does it really rev- match? When I downshift from third to2nd to anticipate a turn the car really lurches like the transmission is really braking the car - it's these moments when I really wish I bought a manual instead...also, I wish the auto had the same ratio as the manual, I feel like the gears are pretty tall-
Depends on the situation. My only point was that by comparison, for the money, this is a good auto tranny. I've owned both over the last 25 years and in this case I don't miss the manual. The difference in performance is minimal, although I'll give the nod to the 'involvement' a true manual requires. Sometimes it's just more fun to row your own. For me, this auto is a good compromise.
Originally Posted by GeeWillikers
Really? Which other boring manual rev matches as you downshift - and most likely a lot better than 90% of the macho 'real' manual drivers here?
Which other boring manual allows you to hold gears at will - up and down the rev range, without anticipating and making shifting decisions for you?
Of course it isn't a 'real' SM gearbox - no one ever said it was. Why would you try to compare a transmission available in a $30K car to one in a car that costs many times as much? (the Ferrari you mention)
As for the GTI - nice little car, great gearbox. Bolt it to something with some real horsepower and see how it fares. The auto in the G is the same as in the M and manages the horsepower/torque created by the V8 just fine. The VW's SM would likely be a box of metal shavings if subjected to the same and driven hard.
My point - don't be so quick to bash on the G's auto. It's a good, durable box. It's a box other manufacturer's would love to have in their vehicles. Of course there are better trannies out there - there always are - auto or manual. The advantage of a manual in this particular car would come down to the driver in most cases - although the 6MT owners would beg to differ. A look at the timeslips will validate the point - the 6MTs are quicker on paper. At the track it can be a driver's race.
Besides, with the quirks this particular manual has - vibes, noise, notchiness, clutches, etc - I don't know if I'd be so quick to throw stones at the slushbox.
Which other boring manual allows you to hold gears at will - up and down the rev range, without anticipating and making shifting decisions for you?
Of course it isn't a 'real' SM gearbox - no one ever said it was. Why would you try to compare a transmission available in a $30K car to one in a car that costs many times as much? (the Ferrari you mention)
As for the GTI - nice little car, great gearbox. Bolt it to something with some real horsepower and see how it fares. The auto in the G is the same as in the M and manages the horsepower/torque created by the V8 just fine. The VW's SM would likely be a box of metal shavings if subjected to the same and driven hard.
My point - don't be so quick to bash on the G's auto. It's a good, durable box. It's a box other manufacturer's would love to have in their vehicles. Of course there are better trannies out there - there always are - auto or manual. The advantage of a manual in this particular car would come down to the driver in most cases - although the 6MT owners would beg to differ. A look at the timeslips will validate the point - the 6MTs are quicker on paper. At the track it can be a driver's race.
Besides, with the quirks this particular manual has - vibes, noise, notchiness, clutches, etc - I don't know if I'd be so quick to throw stones at the slushbox.
The DSG is way better than the Jatco 5sp but it requires a lot more maintenance. I really hope Nissan decides to do away with the torque converter and go the dual clutch sequential gear shift tranny but knowing Nissan, they will take the cheaper alternative.
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Originally Posted by EZZ
The DSG is pretty stout if you build it up right. The Bugatti Veyron has a DSG and it holds a fair amount of horsepower. The DSG is way better than the Jatco 5sp but it requires a lot more maintenance. I really hope Nissan decides to do away with the torque converter and go the dual clutch sequential gear shift tranny but knowing Nissan, they will take the cheaper alternative.
The DSG is way better than the Jatco 5sp but it requires a lot more maintenance. I really hope Nissan decides to do away with the torque converter and go the dual clutch sequential gear shift tranny but knowing Nissan, they will take the cheaper alternative.I was referring to the box used in the VW as it was the one offered for comparison in the other post.
I have no doubt that the VW unit is pretty stout, but I doubt it compares to those used in high end exotics - there's no way it could at the VW's price point.
What is slated to go into the GTR? A nice SMG would fit there.
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Originally Posted by Nightops
Does it really rev- match? When I downshift from third to2nd to anticipate a turn the car really lurches like the transmission is really braking the car - it's these moments when I really wish I bought a manual instead...also, I wish the auto had the same ratio as the manual, I feel like the gears are pretty tall-
I gotta agree with truplay
It took me a long-**** time to figure out how to go down from 3rd to 2nd without royally owning myself and my vehical (almost a year), It's almost a freakin science... most of the time I let the gears drop down them selves and dont bother trying to make a nice transition
Grah I can't wait to regear my car.
It took me a long-**** time to figure out how to go down from 3rd to 2nd without royally owning myself and my vehical (almost a year), It's almost a freakin science... most of the time I let the gears drop down them selves and dont bother trying to make a nice transition
Grah I can't wait to regear my car.
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Originally Posted by Jtrain
I gotta agree with truplay
It took me a long-**** time to figure out how to go down from 3rd to 2nd without royally owning myself and my vehical (almost a year), It's almost a freakin science... most of the time I let the gears drop down them selves and dont bother trying to make a nice transition
Grah I can't wait to regear my car.
It took me a long-**** time to figure out how to go down from 3rd to 2nd without royally owning myself and my vehical (almost a year), It's almost a freakin science... most of the time I let the gears drop down them selves and dont bother trying to make a nice transition
Grah I can't wait to regear my car.
I think you guys are downshifting a little too soon. You should be braking hard into turns and downshifting. The revmatch is intended to allow you to down shift sooner than no rev match. It allows you to tip in the throttle a bit smoother.
Before the turn, brake. Enter the turn, brake & downshift. At the a-pex, gas out of the turn.
If I'm wrong, please drop your knowledge. I love learning how to drive this car.
Side note: I hate driving w/ people that drive too fast into a turn, and brake at the a-pex. It feels so out of control.
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Originally Posted by Bleser
I believe rev-matching was introduced in the '05 model year.
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FYI, the Audi A3 3.2 V6 has 250HP, DSG, Quattro. It can do 0-60 in 5.6sec (official number; also heard that it can do 5.2 easily from teh VW forum).
and the 2.0T can do 5.9 according to some auto magazines...
and the 2.0T can do 5.9 according to some auto magazines...
^
slow in = faster out in general. But there are techniques where you trail brake into the turn for optimal speeds in and out of the apex (depends on the turns). I feel you on the feeling out of control. I do that sometimes in unfamiliar or unexpected turns and it sucks.
slow in = faster out in general. But there are techniques where you trail brake into the turn for optimal speeds in and out of the apex (depends on the turns). I feel you on the feeling out of control. I do that sometimes in unfamiliar or unexpected turns and it sucks.
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Originally Posted by Nightops
^ Can anybody verify this? Maybe I need to re-learn how to drive in the corners, but it would seem that I would lose alot of momentum if I did as others had suggested and wait til I'm at the apex of the turn to brake and then shift down and accelerate - seems like some serious coordination to get it smooth...
From a different thread, I read that you should be hard on the gas until the last second, then brakes to the floor into the turn, the gas to the floor on the way out. If you're accelerating before the apex, you're not carrying enough speed.
Again, see previous disclaimer.
Originally Posted by Nightops
^ Can anybody verify this? Maybe I need to re-learn how to drive in the corners, but it would seem that I would lose alot of momentum if I did as others had suggested and wait til I'm at the apex of the turn to brake and then shift down and accelerate - seems like some serious coordination to get it smooth...
^
whoa... wait until the apex to brake and down shift??? Who said that? I wouldn't want to be in the passenger seat or driving near you if you try that technique. My guess is, if you waited until the apex to brake and downshift, you'll be in the wall, gravel, grass, or the opposing traffic.and only the '05 and up G autos have the rev matching. Feels much better than the pre '05 and sounds almost as good as the 6mt.
Originally Posted by GeeWillikers
Really? Which other boring manual rev matches as you downshift - and most likely a lot better than 90% of the macho 'real' manual drivers here?
Which other boring manual allows you to hold gears at will - up and down the rev range, without anticipating and making shifting decisions for you?
Of course it isn't a 'real' SM gearbox - no one ever said it was. Why would you try to compare a transmission available in a $30K car to one in a car that costs many times as much? (the Ferrari you mention)
As for the GTI - nice little car, great gearbox. Bolt it to something with some real horsepower and see how it fares. The auto in the G is the same as in the M and manages the horsepower/torque created by the V8 just fine. The VW's SM would likely be a box of metal shavings if subjected to the same and driven hard.
My point - don't be so quick to bash on the G's auto. It's a good, durable box. It's a box other manufacturer's would love to have in their vehicles. Of course there are better trannies out there - there always are - auto or manual. The advantage of a manual in this particular car would come down to the driver in most cases - although the 6MT owners would beg to differ. A look at the timeslips will validate the point - the 6MTs are quicker on paper. At the track it can be a driver's race.
Besides, with the quirks this particular manual has - vibes, noise, notchiness, clutches, etc - I don't know if I'd be so quick to throw stones at the slushbox.
Which other boring manual allows you to hold gears at will - up and down the rev range, without anticipating and making shifting decisions for you?
Of course it isn't a 'real' SM gearbox - no one ever said it was. Why would you try to compare a transmission available in a $30K car to one in a car that costs many times as much? (the Ferrari you mention)
As for the GTI - nice little car, great gearbox. Bolt it to something with some real horsepower and see how it fares. The auto in the G is the same as in the M and manages the horsepower/torque created by the V8 just fine. The VW's SM would likely be a box of metal shavings if subjected to the same and driven hard.
My point - don't be so quick to bash on the G's auto. It's a good, durable box. It's a box other manufacturer's would love to have in their vehicles. Of course there are better trannies out there - there always are - auto or manual. The advantage of a manual in this particular car would come down to the driver in most cases - although the 6MT owners would beg to differ. A look at the timeslips will validate the point - the 6MTs are quicker on paper. At the track it can be a driver's race.
Besides, with the quirks this particular manual has - vibes, noise, notchiness, clutches, etc - I don't know if I'd be so quick to throw stones at the slushbox.
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Originally Posted by superb16
Relax, man. I was ASKING if they referred to it as "manual" mode. Thanks to Funner567 for answering the question. And since I have driven an auto loaner G35, I can bash it from here to Egypt. I let my wife drive the auto because I was so bored. I couldn't wait to have the 6MT back. So I'm biased against autos. Plenty of people are. That's not going to change. To each his own.
It's just a regular boring auto like in any other car.
I can't help but bash here. Any stock auto car (especially sporty coupes), other than one equipped w/ a DSG or paddle shifts is a POS for "racing" and those who claim otherwise have no street credibility. All u autos should leave it in D.