Have to sell my G
#31
05-15-2006 | 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by HotRodW
Assuming he can somehow manage to squeeze 25 mpg out of his G, and conservatively saying the TSX will only average about 30 mpg on regular unleaded, he stands to save about $1,000 a year on gas alone at today's prices. Factor in lower insurance and maintenance costs, and he stands to save a bundle. ****, if he keeps the G he's going to spend about a grand every 9 months just on tires! I love my G, but I wouldn't use it as a primary driver if I had to commute 100 miles every day.
Maybe a Mini Cooper S or GTI?
Maybe a Mini Cooper S or GTI?
Let me break it down for you genius: 100 miles a day times 5 days a week times 50 weeks a year (assuming 2 weeks vaca) = 25000 miles a year driven for his job.
G @ 25 MPG will use 1000 gallons of gas for the year;
TSX @ 30 MPG will use 833 gallons of gas for a savings of (big drum roll) 167 gallons a year.
Now junior, we don't take 167 multiplied by what the total price of gas is today. We take 167 multiplied by $1.00, which is the difference in the price at the pump for premium versus a year ago. (I pay $3.50 here in so-cal for 91 pump gas versus $2.50 last year). This logic is simple, no one gave a rats *** last year paying $2.50 for premium and drove their gas guzzlin SUV's like it was free. So, the grand total for gas savings of switching to a TSX? $167 big ones per year...haha.
Thats dinner and a night out at the club for 2. Let's give you the benefit though and factor in maintenance costs. okay, tires may be a little more expense on a G than TSX, let's say, $1200 versus $1,000, so add $200 to the bill. As far as oils, fluids and belts, that should cost pretty close to the same when compared to TSX. I don't think you save much on insurance going from 4 seat sporty coupe to 4 seat sporty sedan (g vs. TSX)
Okay, the whole save is $367 per year. Like I said in my earlier post, he will lose on the initial tax and fees ($4K) plus get hosed on the trade-in ($2K) for a total of -$6K loss on the deal. At $367 per year save, it will take him 16.3 years to recoup the loss, ahahahah
.Do you work for a TSX dealer or something? LOL.
#32
05-15-2006 | 03:37 PM
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i think you should really re-evaluate your whole financial situation. buying a beater will only make you worse. if you're so affected by gasoline then i don't think you can really afford a G35. this is my impression: you're still living with your parents that's why you don't want to move to the new job location to save rent.
#33
05-15-2006 | 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by GeezThreeFive
Where did you learn how to do math? Let me break it down for you genius:
100 miles a day times 5 days a week times 50 weeks a year (assuming 2 weeks vaca) = 25000 miles a year driven for his job.
G @ 25 MPG will use 1000 gallons of gas for the year;
TSX @ 30 MPG will use 833 gallons of gas for a savings of (big drum roll) 167 gallons a year.
Now junior, we don't take 167 multiplied by what the total price of gas is today. We take 167 multiplied by $1.00, which is the difference in the price at the pump for premium versus a year ago. (I pay $3.50 here in so-cal for 91 pump gas versus $2.50 last year). This logic is simple, no one gave a rats *** last year paying $2.50 for premium and drove their gas guzzlin SUV's like it was free. So, the grand total for gas savings of switching to a TSX? $167 big ones per year...haha. Thats dinner and a night out at the club for 2.
Let's give you the benefit though and factor in maintenance costs. okay, tires may be a little more expense on a G than TSX, let's say, $1200 versus $1,000, so add $200 to the bill. As far as oils, fluids and belts, that should cost pretty close to the same when compared to TSX. I don't think you save much on insurance going from 4 seat sporty coupe to 4 seat sporty sedan (g vs. TSX)
Okay, the whole save is $367 per year. Like I said in my earlier post, he will lose on the initial tax and fees ($4K) plus get hosed on the trade-in ($2K) for a total of -$6K loss on the deal. At $367 per year save, it will take him 16.3 years to recoup the loss, ahahahah .
Do you work for a TSX dealer or something? LOL.
Let me break it down for you genius: 100 miles a day times 5 days a week times 50 weeks a year (assuming 2 weeks vaca) = 25000 miles a year driven for his job.
G @ 25 MPG will use 1000 gallons of gas for the year;
TSX @ 30 MPG will use 833 gallons of gas for a savings of (big drum roll) 167 gallons a year.
Now junior, we don't take 167 multiplied by what the total price of gas is today. We take 167 multiplied by $1.00, which is the difference in the price at the pump for premium versus a year ago. (I pay $3.50 here in so-cal for 91 pump gas versus $2.50 last year). This logic is simple, no one gave a rats *** last year paying $2.50 for premium and drove their gas guzzlin SUV's like it was free. So, the grand total for gas savings of switching to a TSX? $167 big ones per year...haha.
Thats dinner and a night out at the club for 2. Let's give you the benefit though and factor in maintenance costs. okay, tires may be a little more expense on a G than TSX, let's say, $1200 versus $1,000, so add $200 to the bill. As far as oils, fluids and belts, that should cost pretty close to the same when compared to TSX. I don't think you save much on insurance going from 4 seat sporty coupe to 4 seat sporty sedan (g vs. TSX)
Okay, the whole save is $367 per year. Like I said in my earlier post, he will lose on the initial tax and fees ($4K) plus get hosed on the trade-in ($2K) for a total of -$6K loss on the deal. At $367 per year save, it will take him 16.3 years to recoup the loss, ahahahah
.Do you work for a TSX dealer or something? LOL.
You did pretty good until the $167 in gas saving a year part, I got lost there.
TSX saves 167 gallons of gas a year compare to the G. Today's gas price $3.50(Per gallon) X 167 (gallons of extra gas) = $584.5
TSX will be saving $584 in gas a year.
I think G only average 21 MPG, so the difference is bigger.
#34
05-15-2006 | 03:55 PM
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dude, the save is not 3.50, its should really be the delta in price from last year, because a year ago, this wasn't even an issue. (as i said in my post)
But even if you look at it the way you do, the a save of $584 a year versus losing out approx. -$6K on changing cars...is that worth it? ...and, what would you rather drive, a TSX (modded accord) or a G35C? nough said...
But even if you look at it the way you do, the a save of $584 a year versus losing out approx. -$6K on changing cars...is that worth it? ...and, what would you rather drive, a TSX (modded accord) or a G35C? nough said...
#35
05-15-2006 | 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by GeezThreeFive
dude, the save is not 3.50, its should really be the delta in price from last year, because a year ago, this wasn't even an issue. (as i said in my post)
This is a moot point since the loss in trading in a car + taxes toward a new car + tags + etc ... doesn't make sense unless he's going toward a much smaller, older car (eg '95 Civic or equivalent).
Whomever suggested a VW diesel -- sounds like a pretty good idea, considering how great fuel economy diesels get. (But I can't stand the sound they have at idle at a stoplight ...)
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#36
05-15-2006 | 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by GeezThreeFive
Where did you learn how to do math? Let me break it down for you genius:
100 miles a day times 5 days a week times 50 weeks a year (assuming 2 weeks vaca) = 25000 miles a year driven for his job.
G @ 25 MPG will use 1000 gallons of gas for the year;
TSX @ 30 MPG will use 833 gallons of gas for a savings of (big drum roll) 167 gallons a year.
Now junior, we don't take 167 multiplied by what the total price of gas is today. We take 167 multiplied by $1.00, which is the difference in the price at the pump for premium versus a year ago. (I pay $3.50 here in so-cal for 91 pump gas versus $2.50 last year). This logic is simple, no one gave a rats *** last year paying $2.50 for premium and drove their gas guzzlin SUV's like it was free. So, the grand total for gas savings of switching to a TSX? $167 big ones per year...haha. Thats dinner and a night out at the club for 2.
Let's give you the benefit though and factor in maintenance costs. okay, tires may be a little more expense on a G than TSX, let's say, $1200 versus $1,000, so add $200 to the bill. As far as oils, fluids and belts, that should cost pretty close to the same when compared to TSX. I don't think you save much on insurance going from 4 seat sporty coupe to 4 seat sporty sedan (g vs. TSX)
Okay, the whole save is $367 per year. Like I said in my earlier post, he will lose on the initial tax and fees ($4K) plus get hosed on the trade-in ($2K) for a total of -$6K loss on the deal. At $367 per year save, it will take him 16.3 years to recoup the loss, ahahahah .
Do you work for a TSX dealer or something? LOL.
Let me break it down for you genius: 100 miles a day times 5 days a week times 50 weeks a year (assuming 2 weeks vaca) = 25000 miles a year driven for his job.
G @ 25 MPG will use 1000 gallons of gas for the year;
TSX @ 30 MPG will use 833 gallons of gas for a savings of (big drum roll) 167 gallons a year.
Now junior, we don't take 167 multiplied by what the total price of gas is today. We take 167 multiplied by $1.00, which is the difference in the price at the pump for premium versus a year ago. (I pay $3.50 here in so-cal for 91 pump gas versus $2.50 last year). This logic is simple, no one gave a rats *** last year paying $2.50 for premium and drove their gas guzzlin SUV's like it was free. So, the grand total for gas savings of switching to a TSX? $167 big ones per year...haha.
Thats dinner and a night out at the club for 2. Let's give you the benefit though and factor in maintenance costs. okay, tires may be a little more expense on a G than TSX, let's say, $1200 versus $1,000, so add $200 to the bill. As far as oils, fluids and belts, that should cost pretty close to the same when compared to TSX. I don't think you save much on insurance going from 4 seat sporty coupe to 4 seat sporty sedan (g vs. TSX)
Okay, the whole save is $367 per year. Like I said in my earlier post, he will lose on the initial tax and fees ($4K) plus get hosed on the trade-in ($2K) for a total of -$6K loss on the deal. At $367 per year save, it will take him 16.3 years to recoup the loss, ahahahah
.Do you work for a TSX dealer or something? LOL.
A little advice . . . the next time you call somebody stupid and challenge their intelligence, you should probably know what the hell you're talking about. Otherwise, you could end up looking like a complete moron (again)!
#37
05-15-2006 | 04:18 PM
Originally Posted by HotRodW
^I'd like to see your math. Here's how I figured it:
500 miles/week translates to about 25,000 miles/year, and that's assuming the car is only used for commuting.
At a wishful 25 mpg, the G will burn 1,000 gallons of premium fuel per year. At the current price of $3.20/gal, that's $3,200 per year.
At a conservative 30 mpg, the TSX (or something comparable) will burn 833 gallons of regular unleaded per year. At the current price of $2.80/gal, that's a little over $2,300 per year.
These numbers are very conservative, and assume the car won't be used for anything but commuting. In reality, I would expect actual savings to be considerably higher.
500 miles/week translates to about 25,000 miles/year, and that's assuming the car is only used for commuting.
At a wishful 25 mpg, the G will burn 1,000 gallons of premium fuel per year. At the current price of $3.20/gal, that's $3,200 per year.
At a conservative 30 mpg, the TSX (or something comparable) will burn 833 gallons of regular unleaded per year. At the current price of $2.80/gal, that's a little over $2,300 per year.
These numbers are very conservative, and assume the car won't be used for anything but commuting. In reality, I would expect actual savings to be considerably higher.
Since when is premium $0.40 more than regular unleaded??
#38
05-15-2006 | 04:33 PM
Also like HotRod said...you shouldn't be using old prices to make cost comparisons...you're calculating savings in gallons burned...not old vs. new gas prices.
I doubt a TSX will get 30 MPG unless you do purely highway, no stop/go driving, no A/C, conservative pedal usage... etc.
It's more like 25-27 MPG in the real world. Go check out www.fueleconomy.gov
It has real source data from actual owners of each car as well as their own tests.
If you're gonna get a commuter car for better MPG, I would look for a beater car like Finiti35 said, else get a hybrid or some high 35+ MPG car. Then you'll actually see a difference in fuel cost savings.
G35 Coupe 6MT (wishful 25 MPG) = 25000/25 = 1000 Gallons
Premium
$3.50 * 1000 = $3500 / yr
TSX 5AT (avg. 27MPG) = 25000 / 27 = 926 gallons
Premium
$3.50 * 926 = $3241 / yr
Even with regular
$3.36 * 926 = $3111.36 / yr
(take into account mileage may be worse with regular than premium)
3500-3241 = $259 net savings from fuel consumed. (premium)
3500-3111 = $389 net regular fuel savings
I doubt a TSX will get 30 MPG unless you do purely highway, no stop/go driving, no A/C, conservative pedal usage... etc.
It's more like 25-27 MPG in the real world. Go check out www.fueleconomy.gov
It has real source data from actual owners of each car as well as their own tests.
If you're gonna get a commuter car for better MPG, I would look for a beater car like Finiti35 said, else get a hybrid or some high 35+ MPG car. Then you'll actually see a difference in fuel cost savings.
G35 Coupe 6MT (wishful 25 MPG) = 25000/25 = 1000 Gallons
Premium
$3.50 * 1000 = $3500 / yr
TSX 5AT (avg. 27MPG) = 25000 / 27 = 926 gallons
Premium
$3.50 * 926 = $3241 / yr
Even with regular
$3.36 * 926 = $3111.36 / yr
(take into account mileage may be worse with regular than premium)
3500-3241 = $259 net savings from fuel consumed. (premium)
3500-3111 = $389 net regular fuel savings
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#39
05-15-2006 | 04:34 PM
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05-15-2006 | 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by waterp7
Also like HotRod said...you shouldn't be using old prices to make cost comparisons...you're calculating savings in gallons burned...not old vs. new gas prices.
I doubt a TSX will get 30 MPG unless you do purely highway, no stop/go driving, no A/C, conservative pedal usage... etc.
It's more like 25-27 MPG in the real world. Go check out www.fueleconomy.gov
It has real source data from actual owners of each car as well as their own tests.
If you're gonna get a commuter car for better MPG, I would look for a beater car like Finiti35 said, else get a hybrid or some high 35+ MPG car. Then you'll actually see a difference in fuel cost savings.
I doubt a TSX will get 30 MPG unless you do purely highway, no stop/go driving, no A/C, conservative pedal usage... etc.
It's more like 25-27 MPG in the real world. Go check out www.fueleconomy.gov
It has real source data from actual owners of each car as well as their own tests.
If you're gonna get a commuter car for better MPG, I would look for a beater car like Finiti35 said, else get a hybrid or some high 35+ MPG car. Then you'll actually see a difference in fuel cost savings.
You might be right, although my buddy drives a TSX and claims to get 32 mpg on a regular basis. It should also be noted that most of us don't get anything close to the 25 mpg I estimated, either.
#43
05-15-2006 | 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by HotRodW
WTF are you talking about? How does mulitplying the total gallons of gasoline saved by $1 give you the total savings?? The $1 a gallon simply indicates how much additional he's paying for gas this year over last year (which, by stange coincidence, also happens to be $1,000 @ 25,000 miles per year). You're correct in your math up until you made this idiotic statement, but unless you can buy premium for a buck a gallon, you're just plain wrong.
A little advice . . . the next time you call somebody stupid and challenge their intelligence, you should probably know what the hell you're talking about. Otherwise, you could end up looking like a complete moron (again)!
A little advice . . . the next time you call somebody stupid and challenge their intelligence, you should probably know what the hell you're talking about. Otherwise, you could end up looking like a complete moron (again)!
#45
05-15-2006 | 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by GeezThreeFive
the only moron here would take your advice of trading a G for a tsx! regardless of how you want to look at it buddy, you're not saving money to justify losing out on the trade. if you want to lose money, go ahead, nobody is stopping you.
By the way, don't call me buddy. That's reserved for people I give a **** about.