Head to head with M3
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+1, fyi the best recorded 0-60 times on e46 m3's were 4.6 seconds (these cars were broken in with 2k miles on the motors) consistant. i forget what magazine, i'll try to find it.
get one of your best drivers to come to a cca event and hop on the track with a bunch of m3's see if he hangs in the corners. it wont be pretty.
get one of your best drivers to come to a cca event and hop on the track with a bunch of m3's see if he hangs in the corners. it wont be pretty.
Originally Posted by DaveB
God Lord, what am I missing here? Last time I checked, an E46 M3 hardtop is good for 13.4-13.6@104mph and that's in the mags. There are those that have done 13.2-13.3@106mph in these cars stock. Compared to a stock or NA modded G35, the M3 should clearly walk the G35. Most stock 6MT G35s are stuck in the 14.2-14.4s@96-98mph. That's a huge difference. Trey is the only one on this site to break into the sub 13.9s and even so, his modded G35's 13.7s@102mph aren't enough to tangle with a decently driven E46 M3. Playing the game of averages, the E46 M3 is a solid .5 seconds and 4mph faster than a 6MT G35.
As for beating E46 M3s on the road course in a G35, the driver was beaten, not the car. An E46 is a SUPERIOR car. As for it's weight, I'd hardly consider a 3,415lb curb weight as portly seeing that a G35 typically weighs a few pounds more. Seeing that the M3 is spec'd out better for racing duties and packs a bit more power, the M3 is going to win, driver to driver.
Don't be blind to the facts, fellas.
As for beating E46 M3s on the road course in a G35, the driver was beaten, not the car. An E46 is a SUPERIOR car. As for it's weight, I'd hardly consider a 3,415lb curb weight as portly seeing that a G35 typically weighs a few pounds more. Seeing that the M3 is spec'd out better for racing duties and packs a bit more power, the M3 is going to win, driver to driver.
Don't be blind to the facts, fellas.
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I believe it. I just beat a Ferrari F430 the other night. It was a convertible im guessing thats why. It was from 30-110 MPH. I had him the whole time. Funny thing is the Ferrari didnt even move. Turns out driver does matter. This case driver was actually dead...and not in the car...and the car was a model....but I still beat him. Heavy convertibles.
Originally Posted by G35_TX
Yes I have. And I have raced them at the track and passed them in my G35.
The older M3's were more of the fun ones, the E46s are the ones that are overweight.
If you look at the history of this forum. There are a ton of people who hang with M3s. I had the MREV kit also when I ran one.
The older M3's were more of the fun ones, the E46s are the ones that are overweight.
If you look at the history of this forum. There are a ton of people who hang with M3s. I had the MREV kit also when I ran one.
Originally Posted by Klubbheads
If ur talking about road course that is possible but not with stock suspension. Yes with minor upgrades we can out handle the M3. I also agree with u about the E36 M3 being the best M3 that was ever made.I was talking about strait line and im not sure what hang with the M3 means. If u lose about 3-4 cars from 0-100 i dont think thats hanging with the car. We can hang with IS350 because the difference from 0-100 is about a car.
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the M3 is 3700 FAT lbs. WOW i thought my S4 was heavy at 3900 +- I thouht it was about 200-300 lbs lighter. I think once the G is broken in i need to get the M3 and my G out for a run!! it has 13k and is a convert!.
On the track a driver equal in the M3 will walk all over my PIG S4. I have been racing for over 10 years and have won many trophy's but the E46 is a great car.
On the track a driver equal in the M3 will walk all over my PIG S4. I have been racing for over 10 years and have won many trophy's but the E46 is a great car.
2006 M3 hardtop weight is 3415. Exactly how is that heavy? Since tracking times are so dependant on the driver, it's hardly a great comparsion unless the same driver tracks both back to back.
Originally Posted by MechEE
5-7 cars from 35-100 mph? I don't think so. Faster? Sure. But I don't believe 5-7 cars worth for a second. I should dig up some dynos of an M3 and G35 and simulate a race with equal ideal drivers to see what would happen... 
Originally Posted by absolutg
^ haha
ppl are mixing the regular m3 with the convertible like there's no difference when there is a significant difference... the convertible weighs nearly 3800 lbs!
ppl are mixing the regular m3 with the convertible like there's no difference when there is a significant difference... the convertible weighs nearly 3800 lbs!
Originally Posted by absolutg
6mt G and m3 vert both have similar 0-60s and 1/4 mile times. and we all know G drivers are better haha jk.
i've left verts in the dust, picking up a car length by 80-90, and i just drive an auto G... sure it's only street racing but that's my experience
haha jk.i've left verts in the dust, picking up a car length by 80-90, and i just drive an auto G... sure it's only street racing but that's my experience
0-60 mph: 5.1 sec
Quarter mile FROM MY RUNS 13.4-13.5 average. gets better and worst depends on conditions.
and for the car and driver racers "the Coupe may score a six-second-flat 0-60 mph time."
and i could only pull a good 14.1 on a quarter.
Last edited by USANSealKYoon; Sep 12, 2006 at 11:54 PM.
Originally Posted by exmbguy
Jesus!! lets be real
Those 13.4 are not happening on the street in most cases folks. Pointless to race on the internet. If you've actually raced an m3 convert and have light mods - you may have a chance.