Wrecked the G, question for the insurance body guys.
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Originally Posted by Philly_G35
If you noticed a alignment problem you may have bent your front frame rails. You should check the gap between the fenders and doors on each side to see if they are the same. If they need to replace the frame rails, they will need to pull the engine. That's where the labor costs really start piling up.
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The fender, both doors and rear quarter have no gaps anymore. I'm gussing it just bent a control arm. I didn't hit anything hard enough to bend a frame rail, I don't think.
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Originally Posted by Philly_G35
If you noticed a alignment problem you may have bent your front frame rails. You should check the gap between the fenders and doors on each side to see if they are the same. If they need to replace the frame rails, they will need to pull the engine. That's where the labor costs really start piling up.
Replacement of the 1/4 is purely a finanical one for the shop. Which ever is cheaper to do. Most of the job for doing a 1/4 is easy to hide. All except for the pillar you mention. They will usuall choose somewhere along that pillar to cut and weld. Then grind the weld down, bondo and repaint. The other areas are easier to hide and they are at seams, under weather stripping, windows etc....
If the dents aren't that bad, they will just pull them, bondo and paint. If the shop is good at either of the above, you won't know the accident even happened.
If the dents aren't that bad, they will just pull them, bondo and paint. If the shop is good at either of the above, you won't know the accident even happened.
Originally Posted by Ivory056MT
My question is about the rear quarter. When they try to repair the car, are they going to try to replace the complete piece from the taillights to the strip next to the roof? Or will they try to cut if off at a point and weld in a part of the panel? I cannot imagine they could get the weld right with all of those complex curves, but I cannot see removing the whole side of the car either. Trying to bang it out would likely look as bad as the weld and take forever. Anyone seen how they handle this repair?
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A bodyshop could do almost anything, given an unlimited budget. But that's not how business works. If a motor had to be pulled to fix the unibody, it would be totalled due to the cost exceeding the worth of the car. Not because the car is/was unsafe.
But front/rear clip replacements are common. But are mostly done on pretty expensive and new cars that have a great amount of value still.
But front/rear clip replacements are common. But are mostly done on pretty expensive and new cars that have a great amount of value still.
Originally Posted by speedracerg35
all modern cars are unibody construction. there are no "frame rails". there is no way they will pull an engine to straighten the unibody. if this is the case, the car is no longer safe to drive and it will be totalled out.
Originally Posted by Jeff92se
A bodyshop could do almost anything, given an unlimited budget. But that's not how business works. If a motor had to be pulled to fix the unibody, it would be totalled due to the cost exceeding the worth of the car. Not because the car is/was unsafe.
But front/rear clip replacements are common. But are mostly done on pretty expensive and new cars that have a great amount of value still.
But front/rear clip replacements are common. But are mostly done on pretty expensive and new cars that have a great amount of value still.
my reply to the last guy talking about non existant frame rails was to say that if you need to remove an engine on a g to straighten the unibody, the car will most likely be totalled. there is not a single modern car that would need the engine removed to straighten it.
also, there have been many times in my experience where an adjuster has stated that a repair will be unsafe and totalled out cars. no reputable body shops ever do clips anymore, nor do insurance companies order them. the only reason to purchase the front or back half of a car is because it is usually cheaper to buy from a salvage yard, than to order two fenders, core support, hood, underhood parts, bumper and bumper parts, etc. from a dealer. you don't weld two halves of a car together!
Last edited by speedracerg35; Sep 22, 2006 at 04:06 PM.
My point was about the reason for the total. It's more likely for cost reasons. Not the safety.
I wonder though. Since modern unibodies have crush zones built into it, how does one fix a front end that has a severe crumple 1/2 way up the engine bay? If we are talking a $60-$70k car, I would think a shop might replace a front clip if the cost was justifiable vs totalling the entire car.
I wonder though. Since modern unibodies have crush zones built into it, how does one fix a front end that has a severe crumple 1/2 way up the engine bay? If we are talking a $60-$70k car, I would think a shop might replace a front clip if the cost was justifiable vs totalling the entire car.
Originally Posted by speedracerg35
do you know what you are talking about??? is your point just to make an argument? i worked in a body shop for four year and then owned and operated one for five. why do you keep saying any body shop with unlimited funds can do anything. of course that is the case...no need to say that just to make a counterpoint.
my reply to the last guy talking about non existant frame rails was to say that if you need to remove an engine on a g to straighten the unibody, the car will most likely be totalled. there is not a single modern car that would need the engine removed to straighten it.
also, there have been many times in my experience where an adjuster has stated that a repair will be unsafe and totalled out cars. no reputable body shops ever do clips anymore, nor do insurance companies order them. the only reason to purchase the front or back half of a car is because it is usually cheaper to buy from a salvage yard, than to order two fenders, core support, hood, underhood parts, bumper and bumper parts, etc. from a dealer. you don't weld two halves of a car together!
my reply to the last guy talking about non existant frame rails was to say that if you need to remove an engine on a g to straighten the unibody, the car will most likely be totalled. there is not a single modern car that would need the engine removed to straighten it.
also, there have been many times in my experience where an adjuster has stated that a repair will be unsafe and totalled out cars. no reputable body shops ever do clips anymore, nor do insurance companies order them. the only reason to purchase the front or back half of a car is because it is usually cheaper to buy from a salvage yard, than to order two fenders, core support, hood, underhood parts, bumper and bumper parts, etc. from a dealer. you don't weld two halves of a car together!
Originally Posted by Jeff92se
My point was about the reason for the total. It's more likely for cost reasons. Not the safety.
I wonder though. Since modern unibodies have crush zones built into it, how does one fix a front end that has a severe crumple 1/2 way up the engine bay? If we are talking a $60-$70k car, I would think a shop might replace a front clip if the cost was justifiable vs totalling the entire car.
I wonder though. Since modern unibodies have crush zones built into it, how does one fix a front end that has a severe crumple 1/2 way up the engine bay? If we are talking a $60-$70k car, I would think a shop might replace a front clip if the cost was justifiable vs totalling the entire car.
The left sub-frame rail(not sure if that's what it's officially called) was bent by a few degrees- The car was driveable, had a small vibration and no intercooler, otherwise everything worked.
If you are familiar with the B5, there is a bar connecting the two rails on either side of the car together. When you bend one out of shape, you get the other too.
I thought it would have been totalled. My insurance USAA determined it was not totalled and had the car fixed.($8800) . This required removing the engine, ripping both of the sub-frame arms and replacement.
Actually, it drove well after the fix. Regardless, I traded it in the next week.
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I may be using the wrong terminology, but there are two rails that come off of the body too carry the front end. I spun out into a guard rail last winter and my engine was being removed to replace the frame rails. It took almost 6 weeks to get the car back.
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Originally Posted by speedracerg35
all modern cars are unibody construction. there are no "frame rails". there is no way they will pull an engine to straighten the unibody. if this is the case, the car is no longer safe to drive and it will be totalled out.
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