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not bad. I'm more of a full rim person. They are nice lookin rims but I'm lookin for a good sized lip on the rears either spoke or mesh. I really like the privat netz in grey but they don't have the large lip i'm looking for
save up and get volks ftw!! as far as tires go, the toyos got ****ty threadwear, wayy better off with the falkens- good grip, look, excellent threadwear, quiet and look decent