round TWO: most modified sedan?
Re: round TWO: most modified sedan?
Here is the dyno of Skidazzle's TT (Custom kit - heavy garrett bb turbos). The PE will be expected to spool up a full 1000rpm sooner.
The TT dyno is at 8 psi as far as I remember. As you can see, even these large turbos are very close to stillen on the low end (and the PE are expected to be identical to the Stillen). But now look at the top end. The Stillen SC tq curve falls off VERY rapidly (just liek a stock NA motor does), while the TT stays right up there near its rpm band highs. That's a huge difference, and the portrayal of what I was saying before - exponential growth of the power curve on turbos vs linear growth of the SCs.
Moreover, the stillen SC falls off rapidly on the top end, while the other centrifugal SCs stay A LITTLE stronger. If I HAD TO pick today, I would probably pic stillen over the others - a good package that includes an engine warranty.
But IMO, there is just NO contest between TT's and the superchargers.
Gurgen
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small"><EM>Edited by gurgenpb on 03/13/04 03:43 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
207773-SkidaZZle TT2.JPG
The TT dyno is at 8 psi as far as I remember. As you can see, even these large turbos are very close to stillen on the low end (and the PE are expected to be identical to the Stillen). But now look at the top end. The Stillen SC tq curve falls off VERY rapidly (just liek a stock NA motor does), while the TT stays right up there near its rpm band highs. That's a huge difference, and the portrayal of what I was saying before - exponential growth of the power curve on turbos vs linear growth of the SCs.
Moreover, the stillen SC falls off rapidly on the top end, while the other centrifugal SCs stay A LITTLE stronger. If I HAD TO pick today, I would probably pic stillen over the others - a good package that includes an engine warranty.
But IMO, there is just NO contest between TT's and the superchargers.
Gurgen
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small"><EM>Edited by gurgenpb on 03/13/04 03:43 PM.</EM></FONT></P>207773-SkidaZZle TT2.JPG
Re: round TWO: most modified sedan?
I will have to change my mod list. :-)
Today I met up with some people in Elk Grove CA at a Car Meet, mostly Acura CL-S's. 2 of those CL's were super charged. A couple of 350z's and then a IP G35 Coupe, and my IP Sedan. Well the IP coupe guy was hella cool, (everyone there was hella cool) and had a local tuner shop. I got the hook up with an INJEN intake, and bought his 18" OEM Coupe RIMS. I know some people said there may be issues with the coupe rims being staggered, but I haven't had any problems so far. Man the INJEN is really loud. If you guys are in Sacto and looking for an INJEN intake, he sales them very cheap. Under $240. PM if you want details.
Today I met up with some people in Elk Grove CA at a Car Meet, mostly Acura CL-S's. 2 of those CL's were super charged. A couple of 350z's and then a IP G35 Coupe, and my IP Sedan. Well the IP coupe guy was hella cool, (everyone there was hella cool) and had a local tuner shop. I got the hook up with an INJEN intake, and bought his 18" OEM Coupe RIMS. I know some people said there may be issues with the coupe rims being staggered, but I haven't had any problems so far. Man the INJEN is really loud. If you guys are in Sacto and looking for an INJEN intake, he sales them very cheap. Under $240. PM if you want details.
Re: round TWO: most modified sedan?
That dyno on the TT car looks really rough.
He has a lot left in the engine with a better tune if you ask me.
He should not see those huge spikes as you climb the RPM's. Better intake & fuel mgt should smooth that out and actually find a bit more HP.
Is 8psi too much for a stock G35? If those guys at ATI are blowing up motors left and right at 6lbs. Or is it just a terrible case of tuning and detonation???
Cheers. Call me when finals are over.
He has a lot left in the engine with a better tune if you ask me.
He should not see those huge spikes as you climb the RPM's. Better intake & fuel mgt should smooth that out and actually find a bit more HP.
Is 8psi too much for a stock G35? If those guys at ATI are blowing up motors left and right at 6lbs. Or is it just a terrible case of tuning and detonation???
Cheers. Call me when finals are over.
Re: round TWO: most modified sedan?
I agree
Guess why I am not going with Greddy but the more expensive PE (by at least 1 grand). Those fuel management units are crap IMO. The PE wdoes not use an FMU, just a new fuel pump and a fuel pressure regulator (a static one). The rest is left up to the ECU flash. Governing the engine with the native ECU is the only way to go IMO. You still can't argue with the results very much, a lot of power down low, and only increasing as you go higher. Just wait til my baby is ready.
Gurgen
Guess why I am not going with Greddy but the more expensive PE (by at least 1 grand). Those fuel management units are crap IMO. The PE wdoes not use an FMU, just a new fuel pump and a fuel pressure regulator (a static one). The rest is left up to the ECU flash. Governing the engine with the native ECU is the only way to go IMO. You still can't argue with the results very much, a lot of power down low, and only increasing as you go higher. Just wait til my baby is ready.
Gurgen
Re: round TWO: most modified sedan?
I just got my k&n drop in and ordered my z=tube and was wondering if anyone with this set up has noticed a difference. My tube won't be here till st. pats day though let a fellow G-man know thanks Andy
Re: round TWO: most modified sedan?
Andyl - I have the same setup and you won't notice the 5 rwhp gain (if even that), but the sound is something you will notice. I great bargain mod though no matter how you look at it. Also, do the ECU reset as it may help.
Back to topic - any 'contenders' should also post more pics. It would really help to inspire the rest of us. Thanks already to gurgenpb for the excellent info and pics!
2003.5 Sedan Black/Black w/ sport, premium, aero, and winter packages. See my profile for updated mods list and pics.
Back to topic - any 'contenders' should also post more pics. It would really help to inspire the rest of us. Thanks already to gurgenpb for the excellent info and pics!
2003.5 Sedan Black/Black w/ sport, premium, aero, and winter packages. See my profile for updated mods list and pics.
Re: round TWO: most modified sedan?
i wanna play...........
exterior modificatoins:
debadged trunk
black chrome emblems
ait racing gl series body kit
custom smoked clear corner lenses
custom black housing headlamp conversion
plasmaglow color changing led under car kit
custom led "angel eyes" addition to headlamps
custom led clear signals in headlamp enclosure
custom dual-led (normal/signal) clear corner lenses
interior mods:
black leather
razo shift ****
in car electronics:
fully dynamatted trunk
two digital battery capasitors
using all monster audio cables
two 12" solo baric l7 subwoofers
mmats professional audio 1400.2HC amplifier (1400watts rms)
wheels/brakes:
19" alt fusion wheels
falken ziex ze502 235x35 tires (front)
bridgestone potenza so-3 245x35 tires (rear)
suspentoin:
full custom air struts w/ big red 4 way compressor
engine:
stillen full catback exhaust
crawfordzcar intake plenum
custom 9-wire grounding kit
custom 80-shot nitrous setup
dynotune pressure based n2o bottle heater
exterior modificatoins:
debadged trunk
black chrome emblems
ait racing gl series body kit
custom smoked clear corner lenses
custom black housing headlamp conversion
plasmaglow color changing led under car kit
custom led "angel eyes" addition to headlamps
custom led clear signals in headlamp enclosure
custom dual-led (normal/signal) clear corner lenses
interior mods:
black leather
razo shift ****
in car electronics:
fully dynamatted trunk
two digital battery capasitors
using all monster audio cables
two 12" solo baric l7 subwoofers
mmats professional audio 1400.2HC amplifier (1400watts rms)
wheels/brakes:
19" alt fusion wheels
falken ziex ze502 235x35 tires (front)
bridgestone potenza so-3 245x35 tires (rear)
suspentoin:
full custom air struts w/ big red 4 way compressor
engine:
stillen full catback exhaust
crawfordzcar intake plenum
custom 9-wire grounding kit
custom 80-shot nitrous setup
dynotune pressure based n2o bottle heater
Re: round TWO: most modified sedan?
I still think that Albert has you all beat!
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TYGWOFN (Rowland Heights) - BS Sedan, Stock except for my badass helicopter air freshener that doesn't work.
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LMAO!
'03 Sedan 5a: BS/G, Prem, Aero/Body, Sport, Nav
Click for MODS or Vote at Online Showoff
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TYGWOFN (Rowland Heights) - BS Sedan, Stock except for my badass helicopter air freshener that doesn't work.
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LMAO!
'03 Sedan 5a: BS/G, Prem, Aero/Body, Sport, Nav
Click for MODS or Vote at Online Showoff
Re: round TWO: most modified sedan?
-2003 6mt sedan
19x8.5/9.5 Work VS-XX
HKS Hipermax Suspension
Blitz Nur Spec Exhaust
Blitz Drop In Filter
Blitz Oil Cap
Blitz Radiator Cap
Nissan JDM window visors
Nissan JDM blinking mirrors
Z tube
Alpine IVA-D900
(2) Alpine 5" headrest monitors
Alpine TV Tuner
Helix 1 Farad Cap
JL Audio 450/4
JL Audio 500/1
JL Audio 10W7
Focal Utopia 165 components front
Focal Utopia 136 components rear
PAC TR-7
PAC SWI-X
19x8.5/9.5 Work VS-XX
HKS Hipermax Suspension
Blitz Nur Spec Exhaust
Blitz Drop In Filter
Blitz Oil Cap
Blitz Radiator Cap
Nissan JDM window visors
Nissan JDM blinking mirrors
Z tube
Alpine IVA-D900
(2) Alpine 5" headrest monitors
Alpine TV Tuner
Helix 1 Farad Cap
JL Audio 450/4
JL Audio 500/1
JL Audio 10W7
Focal Utopia 165 components front
Focal Utopia 136 components rear
PAC TR-7
PAC SWI-X
Re: round TWO: most modified sedan?
Ok. I'll play... I'll only list mods that affect drivability:
Vortech supercharger
Crawford plenum
JWT flywheel and clutch
Kinetix high-flow cats
Stillen cat-back exhaust
Roque short shifter
Cusco sway bars
Eibach lowering springs
Kinetix camber arms
iForged Aero 18x8 and 18x9 wheels
235/45-18 front 265/40/18 rear tires
--Steve
Vortech supercharger
Crawford plenum
JWT flywheel and clutch
Kinetix high-flow cats
Stillen cat-back exhaust
Roque short shifter
Cusco sway bars
Eibach lowering springs
Kinetix camber arms
iForged Aero 18x8 and 18x9 wheels
235/45-18 front 265/40/18 rear tires
--Steve
Re: round TWO: most modified sedan?
Im gunna try this.. hmm where do i start?! Anyways its almost all on my Sig. but ill write it out neways. Notice that i dont have ne PERFORMANCE mods.
1. Clear Corners (side markers)
2. PIAA Xtreme super whites (#19172)
3. Aqua/Blue #194 License Plate Lamp
4. EL1500 Bazooka amp 600w
5. Two 12" Kickers CompVR
6. Chrome Subs Grill
7. Customized "ABADIGUARD" Floormats
8. "Von Dutch" Lisence Plate
9. Two 3" Blue Front Underseat neons
10. One 10" Blue Sound-activated Back Underseat Neons
11. Two Blue LED's on dash
12. "NOS Nitrous Oxide" Emblem on top of the dash cubby
13. Cigarette lighter converter to double with Blue Neons
14. Blue UnderDoors lamp
15. Blue Rear Reading lamp
16. 20% Charcoal Tints
Not bad it feels like less than 16
[image]http://members.aol.com/mmtrojanmm/g35.bmp[/image]
1. Clear Corners (side markers)
2. PIAA Xtreme super whites (#19172)
3. Aqua/Blue #194 License Plate Lamp
4. EL1500 Bazooka amp 600w
5. Two 12" Kickers CompVR
6. Chrome Subs Grill
7. Customized "ABADIGUARD" Floormats
8. "Von Dutch" Lisence Plate
9. Two 3" Blue Front Underseat neons
10. One 10" Blue Sound-activated Back Underseat Neons
11. Two Blue LED's on dash
12. "NOS Nitrous Oxide" Emblem on top of the dash cubby
13. Cigarette lighter converter to double with Blue Neons
14. Blue UnderDoors lamp
15. Blue Rear Reading lamp
16. 20% Charcoal Tints
Not bad it feels like less than 16
[image]http://members.aol.com/mmtrojanmm/g35.bmp[/image]


