View Poll Results: 6MT stall or rough on test drive?
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6MT stall or rough on test drive?
The only times I've stalled has been when I was trying to be really, really smooth instead of normal driving.
Maybe it's the fat coupes that the clutch feels weird in. When I drove the 6MT sedan, it just felt better than the 6MT coupe, but I've never been able to figure out exactly why.
Maybe it's the fat coupes that the clutch feels weird in. When I drove the 6MT sedan, it just felt better than the 6MT coupe, but I've never been able to figure out exactly why.
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my wife has stalled/lurched my G when she has driven it (which is rarely). but she's coming from 5 speed Hondas (4 cylinders), and it's hard to get any easier than a manual tranny Honda. however, i've never had any shifting woes with the G. i'm on my 2nd tranny due to bad synchros in the 1st one that led to grinding gear changes, but i could still shift properly.
that said, most of us can agree that the G 6MT is far from buttery smooth. BMW figured that out and that is one major advantage to the 3/5 series.
that said, most of us can agree that the G 6MT is far from buttery smooth. BMW figured that out and that is one major advantage to the 3/5 series.
IDK, I test drove a Z a couple years ago. My experiance with a manual is VERY limited (Owned a 6speed WS-6 for about 1.5yr and autocrossed a 300zx once during the same time)
I almost stalled the Z backing it out of the parking space, but not quite, and that was it. After that, I had no problems at all with it
I almost stalled the Z backing it out of the parking space, but not quite, and that was it. After that, I had no problems at all with it
IDK, I test drove a Z a couple years ago. My experiance with a manual is VERY limited (Owned a 6speed WS-6 for about 1.5yr and autocrossed a 300zx once during the same time)
I almost stalled the Z backing it out of the parking space, but not quite, and that was it. After that, I had no problems at all with it
I almost stalled the Z backing it out of the parking space, but not quite, and that was it. After that, I had no problems at all with it
So I guess I'm not having any "problems" with it in that I can get around in light traffic, but it's still kind of nerve wracking and 25 years of driving automatics gave me a bunch of habits that are difficult to break.
^Yeah take-offs weren't a problem and I didn't notice anything annoying shifting 1-2. Then again, I wasn't trying to be really smooth, just driving it like a sports car 
The engagement of the clutch did seem to be slightly off, but at the time I just thought that was probably due to stepping out of my V8 torque monster with a worn clutch, into a high revving z with a brand new clutch.
I did find the car a little more tedious to drive in general than the Solstice GXP I drove the same day. I was waaaay more confidant in the turns in the Solstice. At one point I chunked it into a turn going "oh crap, that was too fast, oh crap oh crap" and then out of the same turn going "geeeeez! I could have done that 5-10 MPH faster easy!"
The Z didn't build the same confidence somehow
The engagement of the clutch did seem to be slightly off, but at the time I just thought that was probably due to stepping out of my V8 torque monster with a worn clutch, into a high revving z with a brand new clutch.
I did find the car a little more tedious to drive in general than the Solstice GXP I drove the same day. I was waaaay more confidant in the turns in the Solstice. At one point I chunked it into a turn going "oh crap, that was too fast, oh crap oh crap" and then out of the same turn going "geeeeez! I could have done that 5-10 MPH faster easy!"
The Z didn't build the same confidence somehow
I am going to test drive my second G35 sedan tomorrow. The first one was an 06 and I had trouble shifting smoothly by any measure. Did anyone else have this problem? Maybe it was just the car?
BTW, I don't have any trouble with shifting my current 5MT... so I'm pretty sure it's not just my crappy driving technique.
Nice to be on the site.
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P.S. I read the sedan FAQ and didn't see anything about this there
BTW, I don't have any trouble with shifting my current 5MT... so I'm pretty sure it's not just my crappy driving technique.
Nice to be on the site.
Florida
P.S. I read the sedan FAQ and didn't see anything about this there
[QUOTE=kailep;4842537Btw, IMO, Honda makes the best sticks.[/QUOTE]
Honda S2000 = possibly the best feeling shifter ever made.
What I find odd about the G/Z 6MT's quick and unsmooth engage is that the OEM dual mass flywheel is an absolute tank and weighs damn near as much as a fluid filled torque converter. You'd think with all that stored energy, the tranny/motor would be ultra smooth on take-off. Instead, it feels like it has a lightened flywheel with hardly any stored energy which makes it prone to bogging and stalling. Odd. We're not the only ones to complain about this. Since it's introduction, the G/Z 6MT has been viewed negatively, for the most part, by most every automotive magazine as having an on/off nature, notchy gear box, lots of shifter vibration, and many tester cars had syncro problems.
Honda S2000 = possibly the best feeling shifter ever made.
What I find odd about the G/Z 6MT's quick and unsmooth engage is that the OEM dual mass flywheel is an absolute tank and weighs damn near as much as a fluid filled torque converter. You'd think with all that stored energy, the tranny/motor would be ultra smooth on take-off. Instead, it feels like it has a lightened flywheel with hardly any stored energy which makes it prone to bogging and stalling. Odd. We're not the only ones to complain about this. Since it's introduction, the G/Z 6MT has been viewed negatively, for the most part, by most every automotive magazine as having an on/off nature, notchy gear box, lots of shifter vibration, and many tester cars had syncro problems.
Honda S2000 = possibly the best feeling shifter ever made.
What I find odd about the G/Z 6MT's quick and unsmooth engage is that the OEM dual mass flywheel is an absolute tank and weighs damn near as much as a fluid filled torque converter. You'd think with all that stored energy, the tranny/motor would be ultra smooth on take-off. Instead, it feels like it has a lightened flywheel with hardly any stored energy which makes it prone to bogging and stalling. Odd. We're not the only ones to complain about this. Since it's introduction, the G/Z 6MT has been viewed negatively, for the most part, by most every automotive magazine as having an on/off nature, notchy gear box, lots of shifter vibration, and many tester cars had syncro problems.
What I find odd about the G/Z 6MT's quick and unsmooth engage is that the OEM dual mass flywheel is an absolute tank and weighs damn near as much as a fluid filled torque converter. You'd think with all that stored energy, the tranny/motor would be ultra smooth on take-off. Instead, it feels like it has a lightened flywheel with hardly any stored energy which makes it prone to bogging and stalling. Odd. We're not the only ones to complain about this. Since it's introduction, the G/Z 6MT has been viewed negatively, for the most part, by most every automotive magazine as having an on/off nature, notchy gear box, lots of shifter vibration, and many tester cars had syncro problems.
...the stick feels "agricultural"... notchy and gated with a fair bit of vibration...
...the clutch engagement is abrupt and awkward...
...but you'll get used to it, and eventually you'll learn to love it for its viceral feel!
I would highly agree with many above that the 6MT on the G's has a very notchy and almost awkard shifting feel to it. Its the one thing I can say I truly hate on my 06 6MT.
It will take some time getting used to it but once in a while it will catch me off guard and will lurch on me.
I have been driving 5MT&6MT's for over 10+ years now and its I belive its one of the worst I have had.
It will take some time getting used to it but once in a while it will catch me off guard and will lurch on me.
I have been driving 5MT&6MT's for over 10+ years now and its I belive its one of the worst I have had.
One thing I noticed about the unsmooth take-off is that the clutch pedal reverse pressure has a tendency to cause me to overshoot the engagement point, it's a combination of the pedal spring force, clutch hydraulics and the pressure plate. It's non-linear and awkward, making it hard to hold the clutch pedal at the exact same position during engagement. I'm fine with quick engagement; what annoys me is that I still miss it when I know where it is.
I've driven many 6 speed G's both coupe and sedan as well as the Z's all kinda of years, from revup to non-revup, they all same have tranny, all kinda "clunky" shift. about the stalling, u obviously need to find the perfect point, of course ur ganna stall/almost stall when u first begin, u need to get used to it, its a completely different car, doesnt matter how many years of manual u have driven, its kinda of a "DUH.." thing.
two things u need to keep in mind:
1. shift ***** play a HUGE roll, the OEM shift **** is a "counter-weight" type, witch simply means it has weight to the shift **** with results in much smoother/quicker shift. this will play a huge roll in "stalling." Most aftermarket ***** are not counter weight, good example is the nismo shift ****, when u put it on u will notice a huge difference in shifting, our 6speed trannys pretty much need counter weight. that doesnt mean u cant drive or get use to the nismo ****
2. because the our engines have electric controlled throttle bodies, (not pull-wire type like older cars) that will also play a roll in shifting/stalling etc..from driving a few subarus (TR only) their electric throttle bodies are much easier to control then the vq, i have no clue why, some will argue that electric throttle bodies are better, yes, that is true for tuning a car etc etc, for daily driving, pull-wire type are much easier to drive. for instance it took me some time to get my heal-toe and rev matching perfect on the vq
with that said, it seems fine to me. so im not to sure why some people are saying its hard/harder to drive our 6speed. maybe they truly dont know how to drive manual or some thing? the 6speeds are easy to drive and not hard at all
sorry Dave B, i too say s2000 is NOT the best feeling shifter
two things u need to keep in mind:
1. shift ***** play a HUGE roll, the OEM shift **** is a "counter-weight" type, witch simply means it has weight to the shift **** with results in much smoother/quicker shift. this will play a huge roll in "stalling." Most aftermarket ***** are not counter weight, good example is the nismo shift ****, when u put it on u will notice a huge difference in shifting, our 6speed trannys pretty much need counter weight. that doesnt mean u cant drive or get use to the nismo ****
2. because the our engines have electric controlled throttle bodies, (not pull-wire type like older cars) that will also play a roll in shifting/stalling etc..from driving a few subarus (TR only) their electric throttle bodies are much easier to control then the vq, i have no clue why, some will argue that electric throttle bodies are better, yes, that is true for tuning a car etc etc, for daily driving, pull-wire type are much easier to drive. for instance it took me some time to get my heal-toe and rev matching perfect on the vq
with that said, it seems fine to me. so im not to sure why some people are saying its hard/harder to drive our 6speed. maybe they truly dont know how to drive manual or some thing? the 6speeds are easy to drive and not hard at all
sorry Dave B, i too say s2000 is NOT the best feeling shifter
Last edited by 6spSEDANFTW!; Jan 28, 2010 at 07:38 PM.