This is regarding this website, not the car so sorry if the title is miss-leading...

When I first joined this site in October, I thought it was a great resource to share/learn with/from others that have a common interest - the G35. It seemed to hold a lot of valuable information.

Since then I've come to the conclusion that it has SOME good information but is laden with a_ _holes!!!! No matter what forum you look in there are arguments about EVERYTHING!!! Some of it doesn’t even pertain to our cars!

By no means am I saying everyone out here is an A-Hole... In fact there are many knowledgeable, respectful and respectable people, you just have to sift though a lot of A-Hole BS to find them sometimes. If this opinion get's your panties in a bundle, guess which one you are!

Wading though the BS out here to find and share good information is a chore at best. And heaven forbid you should add you two cents to ANY forum out here!!! If you do, watch for flying A-Holes!

Just had to get that off my chest ~ Have a great day!

 

should've put this in Off Topic.

such is life - opinions are like a$$holes, everyone has it and they all stink. that's why this forum is moderated. the best you can do is contribute, be corteous, ignore A-holes, and have fun.

come to think of it, forums is like driving.

 

cool dude

 

I know, it's off topic (sorry) - couldn’t find a "general" forum... but since it pertains to literally every forum I have read out here, I figured what the hell... I agree with your suggestions - problem is, a good percentage of the time when someone contributes it turns into a clusterphuck! I'm not just referring to threads I've been in - read the epic debate regarding plenums vs spacers or which exhaust is better or underdrive pulleys... the list goes on and on... I just got out of one about what octane rating to use – ridiculous!!!

I think it's beneficial to read others opinions and very valuable to learn from others first hand experience, but when the topic turns to a slam-fest the whole purpose of the original post gets lost and people tend to pound their chest as to say "listen to me, I know best". It's truly pathetic IMO.

You are absolutely right, it’s a lot like driving... Especially driving LA/OC freeways

 

I assume since you posted this I have misread some of the things you have posted. In a medium such as email, forums, etc people have a certain amount of personal responsibility to be overly aware of the "tone" of what they are saying. I personally try to re-read my posts before I hit send in order to try to see it from someone else's perspective. Does that always work? - NO. My point to that is that your writing this post suggests that you are offended with the way people have stated their opinion. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I will say that from this point forward I will try to give you the benefit of the doubt in what you say but my first impression of most of the posts you have sent (recently) is to lump you into the catagory that you mentioned. I will admit if I am wrong and even apologize. I only ask in return that you read your posts from another perspective (as much as someone can) to make sure that what you are typing is what you are saying.
As we have likely all heard before "there is no tone of voice in typing" so reading it should be done with zero intent. We are however human and emotional creatures to a point. Most forums run courses like this off and on so to me at least it is just part of it. Guess women are just more accepting of occasional times of less tolerant behavior.

 

155 posts and you title a thread "first impression-current perspectives" and then apologize for it being misleading and then say the forum is "laden with A holes" and "if this opinion gets your panties in a bundle, guess which one you are" Hmmmm.....................

I actually think this forum is pretty low on the A hole quotient-especially compared to some of the BMW forums.

 

I'm not offended by people’s opinion; I'm more referring to the ranting that goes on when someone does state an opinion. 3 of the 4 forums I mentioned above I didn't even post in but they are laden with what I am referring to. Any posts you have seen by me recently (other than this forum) that do not include a simple question or polite opinion or simple comment are probably in response to abusive anger from other that didn't take the time to re-read and understand what was being said the first time. Personally I don’t take lightly someone using abusive words towards me, so yes I respond. But the reason for this post doesn’t stem from threads I’ve been in – it’s rampant out here in many threads.

If you take a moment and read several post from each forum out here, you will find MANY instances where people are challenged, told they are wrong, etc... and no I'm not at all referring to the few discussions I've been a part of - there are MANY. In most cases it gets so far off topic that the origin of the post is ignored.

I'm all for heated debates and constructive observations. But when it gets adolescent I'm inclined to comment. Thus this post.

BTW, I know I'm not the only one that has observed this. I have had verbal discussions with users on this site that mention the same thing. In fact far before I ever realized how true it is.

 

Dude, I've gotta say that I don't know if the collective group of aholes includes me or not. I really don't care. I know you you are not referring to the pinging/octane thread individually, but a set of threads in total. However, I want to address the pinging/octane thread directly.

First, I suggest that you go back and read the thread, beginning to end, again. For your convenience, here is a short synopsis. The thread begins with a guy asking about pinging, and he states that he always uses 89(he has an 04). The first response is succint; he simply says "yes premium". The next message reaffirmed the move to premium. The next response, from my wife, relates the fact that we had started off with 87, had tried 89, and finally moved to 93. The next message is by GeeWillikers in which he states that he never puts anything in his g but 93. The next message is much the same.

The next message, in my opinion, is where the first hint of confrontation begins. Keep in mind that this hasn't started until the 7th message ( 6 responses to the original ). Bakedog31 states that "the car requires premium gas, it says it right on the gas door". I found this insulting. In no way did this message address the original question, and added zero value to the discussion.

The next message, the 8th, by gsedanman, is much more helpful by comparison. He suggests using premium, and if that doesn't help, consult with the dealer.

In the ninth message, I quoted Bakedog31, and correct him to the manual's requirements for the 04.

The next message, the 10th, is much the same as the previous messages. Doogie offers that maybe the knock sensor is not performing properly.

So far, we have 10 messages, in which only one is in any way inflamatory. And that's only if you're a paranoid sensitive freak, like myself. So that's 1 message, posing a question, to start the thread. There are 9 responses, 8 of which constribute in one form or another. 8 out of 9 is not a bad percentage.

Unfortunately, I believe the discussion ultimately begins to break down at message 11, authored by yourself. You start off by quoting my original message in which I corrected bakedog. You seem to correct my correction ( beginning to feel like Monty Python here ). Later, you attempt to clarify the requirements by elaborating on the definitions of AKI and Research Octane, complete with a scanned image. I appluad you on your thoroughness. Where I fault you is on arrogance to question an individual's perogotive to damn well use whatever gas he wants to use. That just plain offends me.

So, if the thread regressed into a flame war, which I believe is the argument you are proposing, then I say you are at least partially at fault.

I made one more comment to the thread, in which I responded to your message, explaining my opinion on your holier-than-thou attitude. If that makes me an @$$hole, then how much do I pay for the premier membership?

 

Nice how you chose to take my words out of context to make a statement. This is a good example of what I am referring to.

If your reference to 155 posts being linked to the title First Impressions, you clearly didn’t take the time to understand what I wrote. The First Impressions were (when I first became a member) that it's a great site for information. My Current Perspective is... (re-read).

Further, if you take the time to read follow-up post, the reason I apologized for title being misleading is because I realized it might look like a car review - and I didn’t know any specific forum that would be more suitable. Clearly I couldn't write an entire paragraph in the title. If it was purposeful, why would I start off by apologizing?

Like most things in life, I don’t think people will be offended if it doesn’t pertain to them.

And if BMW forums have more A-holes, am even more thankful I don't own one!

Just to clarify, no derogatory mean-spirited or inflammatory intensions are meant in any way on this post. Just a response, and clarification so there are no misinterpretations. (Maybe this should be standard disclaimer to avoid misconceptions).

 

Perpetuating the situation here, brilliant. In respectful response: You didn't take the time to state my post at all as it was intended. There were clearly misguided half-truths about what the fuel door and owners manual said. After going to my car, reading the inside fuel door and the owners manual; here was my response (verbatim – copied and pasted):

'Okay, let’s set the record straight… On the ‘04 sedan (at least mine) the inside filler door says “Premium fuel recommended for maximum performance”. The owner’s manual (attached) says: 87 AKI (Anti-Knock Index) – Research Octane Number 91. As always, the higher the octane the better… My question is: If you own one of the highest rated performance sedans (in many cases THE highest rated), why would you put sh!tty fuel in it?'

A scanned page from the owners’ manual followed the above. I never “clarified the definition of AKI and research Octane, EVER. I didn’t even post again until dozens of bickering posts later (other people with each other) when Mc2 took personal jabs at me. For the post I pasted above!

If that makes me at fault for starting a flame war, then I will NEVER post the words printed on my car and owners manual again. And NEVER suggest that someone consider the best for their G.

Now that that’s clear, why would you feel inclined to re-hash the same thing here? I didn’t even know you took offense to anything I said in that forum, the guy that pissed me off was Mc2 who thought is was acceptable to take jabs at me.

I’m glad the reason I started this thread is becoming apparent.

 

I think we should all go over to the coupe forum and gang up on the street racers, whattya say?

 

It was nothing personal. But you were speaking with confidence like you KNEW what you were talking about. I was just telling you that you had no idea what you were talking about. And if you don't know, then you shouldn't be talking about it.

This is what you said: As always, the higher the octane the better… My question is: If you own one of the highest rated performance sedans (in many cases THE highest rated), why would you put sh!tty fuel in it?'


I had a couple of questions for you was all. What is "****ty" fuel? Lower octane fuel? How is that ****ty? What part of it is ****ty? Do you know? Why the higher octane the better? So if 1 BILLION octane could be had for FREE should i be shoving it into my car and storing some away for a rainy day?

Don't be upset, we're all grown adults. You dont' need to be upset that someone told you you were wrong, we can't all be right all the time.
Either way, nothing personal, don't be a baby about it. Just carry on. We've obviously exhcnaged posts in other threads without any problems, so it shouldn't be personal.

 

FYI, this will end this discussion immediately. IF you want to know the real history and how octane works with the VQ, go here:

http://grocerygetter.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=396716

No more opinions. Post one and it continues a few more posts down and keeps continueing. So keep reading you will learn a lot.

 

BACK OFF! I may be his wife and I KNOW he can speak for himself but I think you should take the advice I gave earlier. You obviously take offense to someone telling you they disagree with you. Just because they don't agree doesn't mean they are attacking you. MC2 made several remarks that I personally applauded him for since YOUR posts came across so nasty to start with. It was humor - not a freaking personal attack. Now I kept my peace and was polite about how I put it to start with but starting out a response with a smart @$$ remark doesn't do anything but yet again prove your point BY DOING IT YOURSELF! This is pointless to go over and over with. I disagree with you. I take note that you felt slighted and I will make an effort on my own part to be sensitive to that in the future. Outside of asking people to do that - let it go. You can either let it roll off or be pissed off about it. I don't care to continue this in a main thread because other people could likely care less. If you have further comments you feel compelled to make you can PM me - for the sake of everyone else.

 

Typical... you didn't include the post that stated in CA there is 87, 89, and 91 - 91 (in most cases) being the highest, thus my suggestion. Which coincidently 95% of the post in that forum concurred with using at least 91... So maybe the "wrong person that is being a baby" is you. Put diesel in your car for all I care.

BTW, why are you bringing this up here? The original post made here had nothing to do with one thread. But indeed you are proving my point in this thread.