Mustang GT to G35...
#16
08-05-2005 | 04:56 PM
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Have you considered the new Charger? They have an R/T R/T (no I didn't type that twice, and I'm not making it up) that includes all the go-fast goodies plus a retro flat-black striped paint job that I personally think looks pretty cool.
With 340 horsepower and 390 pound-feet of torque stock, and with what are sure to be tons of performance mods out very soon, it might be worth a look if you can get past the reliability and build-quality issues you mentioned earlier. It's kind of a pig weight-wise though at 4000 pounds.
With 340 horsepower and 390 pound-feet of torque stock, and with what are sure to be tons of performance mods out very soon, it might be worth a look if you can get past the reliability and build-quality issues you mentioned earlier. It's kind of a pig weight-wise though at 4000 pounds.
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08-05-2005 | 06:04 PM
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300C or Charger are a good call ... got to be a natural step up for the Mustang/Camaro crowd. I would never in a million years consider a G sedan as a "replacement" for a modded GT mustang ... but the fact that plenty of G owners are perfectly happy former mustange owners should tell you something.
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08-05-2005 | 08:42 PM
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A friend of mine with a modded 93 Stang pulled up beside me on a 30 mph roll as we left the golf course. I knew what he wanted, so we both hit the gas for a quick jaunt to 60....much to his surprise he never gained an inch. As he merged onto his exit he gave me a thumbs up. I owned a 84 Mustang GT and I loved it...but the G gives me the speed AND comfort.
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08-05-2005 | 11:39 PM
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08-06-2005 | 12:07 AM
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Last year i went through the same dilema as you are currently. I traded in my 00 gt for my sedan. Mainly you will miss the low end torque. But the G is much more practical and refined. Also the G definetly pulls better on the upper end. There are times when i miss the GT( trying to confince the wife to trade in her car and get an 05 so i can have the best of both worlds.), but overall i am happy with the G.
If your main reason for getting rid of the GT is for a 4 door, have you considered a used Marauder. Same aftermarket as the GT. This personally wasn't an option for me because because the care seemed way out dated and lacked the refinement of the G. Just a thought.
If your main reason for getting rid of the GT is for a 4 door, have you considered a used Marauder. Same aftermarket as the GT. This personally wasn't an option for me because because the care seemed way out dated and lacked the refinement of the G. Just a thought.
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#23
08-06-2005 | 06:14 AM
As long as we're on the subject of Mustangs... I can’t believe my first car was a '71 Mach 1 <Fastback Boss 302>...
Damn it! That car would be worth 3 - 4 Xs my G (considering the time, effort, care and money I would have put into it over the past 23 years). Even sitting in a garage it might fetch more than my G straight up… Oh well – not trying to highjack the thread, just realizing the value of hindsight.
I was interested it the new Stang, but apparently Ford was trying to create a buzz by being the only dealer to not release ’05 by Oct of ’04.
I do however love the look and HP of the new Charger! But I’ve ALWAYS (as an adult) been cognizant of unreliable American muscle power (automobile-wise).
So as of now, I’m glad I’m not the guinea pig of the new Mustang or Charger… but you better believe I’m gonna drive ‘em both at the Auto Show In Motion at Anaheim Stadium in a week or two… anyone else going?
Damn it! That car would be worth 3 - 4 Xs my G (considering the time, effort, care and money I would have put into it over the past 23 years). Even sitting in a garage it might fetch more than my G straight up… Oh well – not trying to highjack the thread, just realizing the value of hindsight.
I was interested it the new Stang, but apparently Ford was trying to create a buzz by being the only dealer to not release ’05 by Oct of ’04.
I do however love the look and HP of the new Charger! But I’ve ALWAYS (as an adult) been cognizant of unreliable American muscle power (automobile-wise).
So as of now, I’m glad I’m not the guinea pig of the new Mustang or Charger… but you better believe I’m gonna drive ‘em both at the Auto Show In Motion at Anaheim Stadium in a week or two… anyone else going?
#24
08-06-2005 | 07:21 AM
I Can't Resist!!!...
Originally Posted by DaveB
4DOORFUN,
The 298hp 05+ 6MT isn't going to have the punch your GT does, however what it lacks in punch, it makes up for in "legs". Decently driven 03+ 6MTs sedans are getting low low 14s at 99-100mph STOCK with a couple getting 13.9s@100-101mph. While the ETs don't match your 13.5, the ending trapspeeds are matching your modded GTs. Unlike your 4.6 SOHC that struggles to breath after 5200rpms, the VQ35 peaks at 6200-6500rpms and holds that peak power straight to fuel cut. VQ35 behaves very much like the GM's LS1. It doesn't "feel" terribly fast, but for what it is, a 3.5 NA V6, it moves impressively. These motors don't feel terribly fast because the torque curve is very flat and lasts a long time, much like the LS1. Above 100mph, a stock 6MT G is probably going to walk your GT.
I'm certain 13.5-13.6@101mph are possible in a bonestock G sedan with a set of 16" ET streets and a realistic 1.8 60'. No one's done it because hardly anyone in here has a drag race focused mindset.
Like the others said, what your will probably like is all the creature comforts and refinement. The G interior is not Lexus grade, but I can tell you it's light years ahead of any year Mustang interior, even the 05+. I love have quality leather, fat and tiny steering wheel, auto/dual zone climate control, Homelink, HIDs, 6 disc indash, super stiff structure, a very balanced platform, killer brakes, killer suspension and IRS, etc.
The 298hp 05+ 6MT isn't going to have the punch your GT does, however what it lacks in punch, it makes up for in "legs". Decently driven 03+ 6MTs sedans are getting low low 14s at 99-100mph STOCK with a couple getting 13.9s@100-101mph. While the ETs don't match your 13.5, the ending trapspeeds are matching your modded GTs. Unlike your 4.6 SOHC that struggles to breath after 5200rpms, the VQ35 peaks at 6200-6500rpms and holds that peak power straight to fuel cut. VQ35 behaves very much like the GM's LS1. It doesn't "feel" terribly fast, but for what it is, a 3.5 NA V6, it moves impressively. These motors don't feel terribly fast because the torque curve is very flat and lasts a long time, much like the LS1. Above 100mph, a stock 6MT G is probably going to walk your GT.
I'm certain 13.5-13.6@101mph are possible in a bonestock G sedan with a set of 16" ET streets and a realistic 1.8 60'. No one's done it because hardly anyone in here has a drag race focused mindset.
Like the others said, what your will probably like is all the creature comforts and refinement. The G interior is not Lexus grade, but I can tell you it's light years ahead of any year Mustang interior, even the 05+. I love have quality leather, fat and tiny steering wheel, auto/dual zone climate control, Homelink, HIDs, 6 disc indash, super stiff structure, a very balanced platform, killer brakes, killer suspension and IRS, etc.
Just my observation. Smile apparently your car is fast
Oh, BTW – ’04.5 are faster than ’03
… even though MotorTrend says ‘05s aren’t Just wanted a little controversy
#25
08-06-2005 | 09:35 AM
Originally Posted by OCG35
Dave B... Your posts are always beneficial and informative - but they always include ¼ mile times and drag race inducements. I think this thread might be the only one that you mentioned anything else about the car and you got a little lack-luster when the raw performance wasn’t mentioned.
Just my observation. Smile apparently your car is fast
Oh, BTW – ’04.5 are faster than ’03 … even though MotorTrend says ‘05s aren’t
Just wanted a little controversy
Just my observation. Smile apparently your car is fast
Oh, BTW – ’04.5 are faster than ’03
… even though MotorTrend says ‘05s aren’t Just wanted a little controversy
#26
08-06-2005 | 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by DaveB
4DOORFUN,
The 298hp 05+ 6MT isn't going to have the punch your GT does, however what it lacks in punch, it makes up for in "legs". Decently driven 03+ 6MTs sedans are getting low low 14s at 99-100mph STOCK with a couple getting 13.9s@100-101mph. While the ETs don't match your 13.5, the ending trapspeeds are matching your modded GTs. Unlike your 4.6 SOHC that struggles to breath after 5200rpms, the VQ35 peaks at 6200-6500rpms and holds that peak power straight to fuel cut. VQ35 behaves very much like the GM's LS1. It doesn't "feel" terribly fast, but for what it is, a 3.5 NA V6, it moves impressively. These motors don't feel terribly fast because the torque curve is very flat and lasts a long time, much like the LS1. Above 100mph, a stock 6MT G is probably going to walk your GT.
I'm certain 13.5-13.6@101mph are possible in a bonestock G sedan with a set of 16" ET streets and a realistic 1.8 60'. No one's done it because hardly anyone in here has a drag race focused mindset.
Like the others said, what your will probably like is all the creature comforts and refinement. The G interior is not Lexus grade, but I can tell you it's light years ahead of any year Mustang interior, even the 05+. I love have quality leather, fat and tiny steering wheel, auto/dual zone climate control, Homelink, HIDs, 6 disc indash, super stiff structure, a very balanced platform, killer brakes, killer suspension and IRS, etc.
The 298hp 05+ 6MT isn't going to have the punch your GT does, however what it lacks in punch, it makes up for in "legs". Decently driven 03+ 6MTs sedans are getting low low 14s at 99-100mph STOCK with a couple getting 13.9s@100-101mph. While the ETs don't match your 13.5, the ending trapspeeds are matching your modded GTs. Unlike your 4.6 SOHC that struggles to breath after 5200rpms, the VQ35 peaks at 6200-6500rpms and holds that peak power straight to fuel cut. VQ35 behaves very much like the GM's LS1. It doesn't "feel" terribly fast, but for what it is, a 3.5 NA V6, it moves impressively. These motors don't feel terribly fast because the torque curve is very flat and lasts a long time, much like the LS1. Above 100mph, a stock 6MT G is probably going to walk your GT.
I'm certain 13.5-13.6@101mph are possible in a bonestock G sedan with a set of 16" ET streets and a realistic 1.8 60'. No one's done it because hardly anyone in here has a drag race focused mindset.
Like the others said, what your will probably like is all the creature comforts and refinement. The G interior is not Lexus grade, but I can tell you it's light years ahead of any year Mustang interior, even the 05+. I love have quality leather, fat and tiny steering wheel, auto/dual zone climate control, Homelink, HIDs, 6 disc indash, super stiff structure, a very balanced platform, killer brakes, killer suspension and IRS, etc.
The Mustang GT 16 valve V8 has a flat torque curve too. In fact, it has a flatter torque curve than the high horsepower 32 valve Mustang Cobra V8 (naturally aspirated of course). According to my dyno graphs, my car makes over 250 ft. lbs. of REAR WHEEL torque from 2500 - 5500 rpms. That's about 295 at the crank. It has more engine displacement and two more cylinders than the 3.5 VQ engine. I couldn't tell you if my car would "walk" a G35 after 100 mph because I really don't race at those speeds, but with the extra two cylinders and additional displacement, I doubt the G would "walk" a mustang GT at those speeds.
#28
08-06-2005 | 12:14 PM
FYI, DaveB use to own a GT stang so I believe when he says that a G35 especially a 05+ model will walk a GT from upper speeds. If my older G35 can walk a 97 Cobra at highway speeds, my 05 for damn sure can beat a your mustang Gt with mods at highway speeds.
Originally Posted by 4DOORFUN
I have yet to see G35 coupe or sedan break the 13 second barrier at the track and I have probably seen at least 30 runs with G35's. I live in Illinois and the G35 shows up at the track more often than you think. The avg. G35 is doing mid 14's at best from what I have seen. Aside from racing my Mustang, I like to watch the other drivers attempt to put down real life track times. Many drivers cannot duplicate what the magazines post in their articles and get frustrated. However, I think most folks forget that the magazines post CORRECTED test results. That can make a huge difference.
The Mustang GT 16 valve V8 has a flat torque curve too. In fact, it has a flatter torque curve than the high horsepower 32 valve Mustang Cobra V8 (naturally aspirated of course). According to my dyno graphs, my car makes over 250 ft. lbs. of REAR WHEEL torque from 2500 - 5500 rpms. That's about 295 at the crank. It has more engine displacement and two more cylinders than the 3.5 VQ engine. I couldn't tell you if my car would "walk" a G35 after 100 mph because I really don't race at those speeds, but with the extra two cylinders and additional displacement, I doubt the G would "walk" a mustang GT at those speeds.
The Mustang GT 16 valve V8 has a flat torque curve too. In fact, it has a flatter torque curve than the high horsepower 32 valve Mustang Cobra V8 (naturally aspirated of course). According to my dyno graphs, my car makes over 250 ft. lbs. of REAR WHEEL torque from 2500 - 5500 rpms. That's about 295 at the crank. It has more engine displacement and two more cylinders than the 3.5 VQ engine. I couldn't tell you if my car would "walk" a G35 after 100 mph because I really don't race at those speeds, but with the extra two cylinders and additional displacement, I doubt the G would "walk" a mustang GT at those speeds.
#29
08-06-2005 | 02:15 PM
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That's old news...hehehe
I can beat a stock '99-'04 4.6L Mustang GT pretty easily....
Been there done that a few times! A couple even had exhaust and who knows what else.
And oh, I have an '05 6MT sedan
I also give LT1 camaros fits as well. The one LS1 Z28 I raced beat me by 2-3 car lengths to about 120 mph on a deserted highway. That was before my gear change. I think I'd give him a better run now as with each upshift the revs fall right into the sweet spot.
I think alot comes down to driver skills as well.
My mods are as follows:
Ported Crawford plenum
Cleaned up throttlebody
Z-Tube
JWT Popcharger
UR underdriven crank pully
Fujitsubo Legalis-R exhaust
3.917 rear end
Rogue Engineering shifter
80 pounds of weight reduction
I also have 19" Volk Progressive spoke wheels (19x8.5 front & 19x9.5 rear), Eibach prokit springs which everyone says slows the car down (due to unsprung weight, although the Progressive spokes are a few pounds lighter than the OEM 18" wheels).
The above mods completely transformed my car. Although I haven't had the car dyno'd yet, the power increase is substantial over a stock G35 6MT sedan.
I plan on having Crawford headers and high flow cats installed next week followed by an ECU reflash shortly after....
Dyno coming soon
Been there done that a few times! A couple even had exhaust and who knows what else.
And oh, I have an '05 6MT sedan
I also give LT1 camaros fits as well. The one LS1 Z28 I raced beat me by 2-3 car lengths to about 120 mph on a deserted highway. That was before my gear change. I think I'd give him a better run now as with each upshift the revs fall right into the sweet spot.
I think alot comes down to driver skills as well.
My mods are as follows:
Ported Crawford plenum
Cleaned up throttlebody
Z-Tube
JWT Popcharger
UR underdriven crank pully
Fujitsubo Legalis-R exhaust
3.917 rear end
Rogue Engineering shifter
80 pounds of weight reduction
I also have 19" Volk Progressive spoke wheels (19x8.5 front & 19x9.5 rear), Eibach prokit springs which everyone says slows the car down (due to unsprung weight, although the Progressive spokes are a few pounds lighter than the OEM 18" wheels).
The above mods completely transformed my car. Although I haven't had the car dyno'd yet, the power increase is substantial over a stock G35 6MT sedan.
I plan on having Crawford headers and high flow cats installed next week followed by an ECU reflash shortly after....
Dyno coming soon
Last edited by ZXiMan; 08-06-2005 at 02:18 PM.
