Haha! I beg your pardon What other cars do you know of that have run at my track? My track is far from being "fast". I know that one for a fact and so do all the guys I race with. The track sits at about 1100' above sea level and is located in a valley 100 yards west of the Blue River which kicks up the humidity quite nicely at night. The track is a lot better since they resurfaced it back in 01, but "fast" doesn't fall into the equation. Case in point, when I had my modded 94 Z28 it went 13.7s@101mph at Kansas City International Raceway (my home track). When I took the Z28 to Houston Raceway Park (no changes to the car) for an F-Body event, it went 13.4s@103mph....in hotter weather no less. When raced at KCIR again, it was back to the normal 13.7-13.8. I took it to MoKan Raceway Park and it ran 13.9s@101mph. Then there's my old Maxima. Guys at other tracks were doing 14.0-14.2@101+mph in theirs with the same mods and 60 foots yet mine only went 14.3s@99mph. My G's performance is no better than a handful of other stock or mostly stock 5AT sedans running 14.2-14.4@96mph+. I don't think my track is slow, but I think it's pretty normal. If I wanted to go to a fast track, I'd either go to Topeka Heartland Park or Gateway in St. Louis. KCIR is no better and probably even worse than your track in San Antonio. I mean hell, you ran a 14.7 in mostly stock 01 5MT Maxima. That was damn near a record on Maxima.org

 

I knew it would turn into this. In the meantime, I'll keep searching for the first G35 to break into the 13's at my track. I don't really care how well the G or any other car pulls over 100 mph. I don't plan on driving those speeds and endangering my life or others around me.

That's what the quarter mile race tracks are for. Suggestion: race a '99+ Mustang GT at the track and let us all know how you do. I don't car what anyone claims they have done on the street.

ZXiMan - it sounds like you have a real nice G. Have you taken it to the track? With your gear swap, weight reduction and some sticky tires, I'd think it would pull high 13's with a good launch.

 

I think it's a rarity for G35 6MTs to go 13s, but I know for a fact that they can in cool dense air with a good density altitude and 60 foot. The hard truth is most G35 owners don't know squat about drag racing. Take a gander and read about people's launching technique for the 6MT. The common technique is "rev it to 2000-2200rpm and dump it". There are so many problems with that type of launch, I don't even know where to start. It's only right for those guys to be stuck in the 14.3-14.6 range launching like that. The guys running 13s in their Gs know what they're doing. I can tell that by reading their posts and the way they describe how they drive.


The key here is average power and the powerband utilized. The SOHC 4.6 makes peak power at 4900-5000rpms with power falling off slowly (~10%) until hitting the 5900/6000rpm limiter. You can view a crapload of Dynojet 248C plots for 99+ Mustang SOHC on this site http://dynoperformance.com/search_re...20gt&Year=2002. The 05 6MT VQ35 on the otherhand makes peak power at 6400rpms and carries nealy all that power straight to the 7000rpm cutoff. While a modded SOHC 4.6, like yours, makes an average of about 230whp across it's useable powerband, the VQ35 is making about 235-240whp over it's powerband which also is longer. At slower speeds, the GT will have a slight advantage because of it's torque, but as the MPH increase, the G35 will slowly be coming back on each gear change. Once 100-110mph hits, the G35 will be walking away because of it's longer and more powerful powerband. The numbers really don't lie. My friend's and your GT are getting 100-101mph with some basic mods and your ETs are in the 13.5-13.7 range. Stock G35 6MTs are getting 99-100mph with most in the lower 14s. Trapspeed is an indication of available power. What we're seeing is a car (G35) without quite the lowend grunt, closing in as the race progresses. The GT has stout grunt, but it's powerband is short. The G35 on the otherhand makes it's power from more rpm and a longer powerband. Seat of the pants, the GT is always going to feel faster because torque and initial G-force loads easily fools the butt dyno. As speeds increase, especially over 50mph, G force loads are greatly reduced and it's very hard to tell which car is accelerating harder. The G35 will also be more misleading because it's significantly quieter than a modded GT. Noise is another thing that easily fools the butt dyno.

 

I have three friend's with 00+ Stang GT 5MTs. In stock form and in decent weather, they ran 14.2-14.4@98-99mph with 2.1 60 foots. One added 3.73s and the other two went with 4.10s. They all did catbacks, got 17" DRs, and did some timing advance mod, and some other mods that really don't add much power (removing baffles, resonators). With those mods, they're now running 13.6-13.8@101-102mph with 1.9 60 foots. Their times are very indicative of what other stock and mildly modded 99+ GTs are doing at my track. Actually they're usually a tick or two quicker In a roll-on race, hangs a lot closer than they would care to admit. From 40-100mph, they get me by 2 cars or so. From a stop, it's no contest though. Remember, I've got a 5AT with just a Z-pipe. Nothing else.

 

I've never owned a Mustang, but I've driven a ton of them on and off the track because my roommates/friends in college had a modded 86 GT, modded 87 LX 5.0 hatch, 90 LX 5.0 notch (my favorite to drive), and 95 GT (slow slow slow). The only V8 I've ever owned was a 94 Z28. I do plan to buy a 88-92 LX 5.0 notch or 97-98 Cobra as a fun car though, one of these days. I love Stangs.

 

I drove a 2001 Mustang GT for about a week while had it for sale for a friend. It was brash, crude and loud. I owned an '86 GT convertible (a 15.5 sec car), an '88 LX 5.0 that ran 12.80s, two LX 5.0 convertibles (high 14 second cars), a 12.50s '89 notchback, another 12.30s '89 LX 5.0 notchback (with a Vortech blower), a completely stripped out (from the factory) '90 LX 5.0 notchback that ran 10.20s (A Pro 5.0 drag car and the quickest car I've ever owned), Not to mention about 40 other performance cars (Porsche '84 928S (5-speed), '90 Nissan 300ZX Twin Turbo, three '91 Toyota MR2 Turbos, '92 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4, '92 Dodge Stealth R/T Turbo, Two '93 Mazda RX-7s (One R1 and one Touring) '99 Corvette C5, '97 Viper GTS, '99 ATI Procharged Dakota R/T, '00 Pontiac Formula WS6, '04 supercharged Lingenfelter Z06, '02 WRX, '04 ATI Procharged 350Z..and the list goes on and on... heh). The '95-'98 4.6L GTs were a freakin joke and the '99 and up GTs are respectable, but still not competitive with GMs F-Bodies (except the '03-'04 Cobras). Most of those cars I put 20-30 drag strip runs on, so I know what "track time" consistancy means! I have no idea what my current car runs in the 1/4 mile in a controlled environment. 99.9% of my driving is done on the street and hence where I see 99.9% of my "action". I think it's a waste of money to buy a performance car and drive it like a '77 Cadillac Eldorado. I bought the G35 because I needed 4 doors and it is an EXTREMELY rewarding car to drive (essentially it's a 350Z with 4 doors). I'm not condoning reckless driving, but when the conditions are right I won't back down from a street light challenge *if* I'm not going to be endangering lots of other people. Let's not turn this into a street racing v.s. track debate. As far as track times, my base 350Z with just a couple bolt-ons (K&N in the box and Nismo exhaust ran 13.70's on several occasions). With 7.5 psi boost (365hp @the rear wheels) out of an ATI Procharger and intercooler, my best time was a 12.79@109 mph with a dismal 2.17 60ft time (on 275/35-19 S0-3s).

Bottom line is this. I thought Mustangs were the shiznit until I bought a couple European and Japanese performance cars. Since then, the only American cars I have owned have been a Viper, Formula WS6 (ie: bucket) and a couple C5 Corvettes. As you can see above, I am anything BUT brand loyal, although right now it is my opinion that Nissan is the *only* car company building affordable "purest" DRIVERS cars right now. Anyone who goes from a Mustang GT to any Infiniti (or Nissan for that matter) will be stepping up in quality, prestige, comfort, quality and yes, even "overall" performance (maybe not drag strip potential but then again, a fox bodied Mustang would be better for a pure drag car). Plus G35s are more exclusive than Mustangs. I see 30 a day or more in the DFW area.

P.S. I do like the 2005 Mustang GT and even considered buying one before my 6 month old daughter was born, only because of the "straight line potential AND that blowers are popping up everywhere for that car!

 

Yea and conditions in my favor. Never had such a good night again though.

 

I am thinking of your Z28. My bad!

 

I did in my G35 when I ran my best time in my 04 G35. I walked away from it.