Paddle Shifters and Break In (was told not to use them)
Paddle Shifters and Break In (was told not to use them)
I was told by the dealer that I should not use the paddle shifters until 1200 miles. Anyone want to comment on this? I did not see it in the manual for the break-in period.
Thanks for the help!
Thanks for the help!
Got ya. I will hold off on them. I have already punched to 6k by accident once and had to rev up to 5k two times or so to pass someone when the lanes merged. I doubt those occasions will cause any worry but why add more chances to rev up by accident :P.
Is that pretty typical then (resetting the ECU) after break-in? Seems to make sense on the surface (let the computer calculate trends based on normal driving "post-break-in"). Sounds like everyone should do it.
With an Auto, you don't even have to worry about breaking a clutch in.
http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm
Go for it.
http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm
Go for it.
Originally Posted by filanj
You still have the rest of the engine to break in. You're missing the entire point of not using the paddle shifters. They suggested not using them, so that he doesn't run it to redline.
I understand the point of not using the paddle shifters/running it hard and disagree with it.
I'll quote MY dealer... "as soon as you leave here, drive it however you want". He even suggested turning off the traction control to do doughnuts and that I should take it to Heartland park (local road course) to enjoy the car.
I've already dyno'd the car with 430 miles on it and it put down 262whp.
Originally Posted by filanj
You still have the rest of the engine to break in. You're missing the entire point of not using the paddle shifters. They suggested not using them, so that he doesn't run it to redline.
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Originally Posted by filanj
OF COURSE THEY WOULD SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT (if they are scum)! They WANT you to fvck up your car so that you can bring it back to them and laugh at you as they make bank on the repairs. Even if it is within your warranty they still get paid for their time and profit from warranty work.
Yep, go right down to the track and slam it into a wall, so your insurance won't cover it and you'll be writing the dealership a nice FAT check to fix your fvcked up car.
Yep, go right down to the track and slam it into a wall, so your insurance won't cover it and you'll be writing the dealership a nice FAT check to fix your fvcked up car.
Originally Posted by filanj
OF COURSE THEY WOULD SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT (if they are scum)! They WANT you to fvck up your car so that you can bring it back to them and laugh at you as they make bank on the repairs. Even if it is within your warranty they still get paid for their time and profit from warranty work.
Yep, go right down to the track and slam it into a wall, so your insurance won't cover it and you'll be writing the dealership a nice FAT check to fix your fvcked up car.
Yep, go right down to the track and slam it into a wall, so your insurance won't cover it and you'll be writing the dealership a nice FAT check to fix your fvcked up car.
blah blah blah...
The guy is an avid auto crosser w/ a really nice miata, he goes there all the time and suggested it as a fun hobby to start.
And I had already planned to break my car in using this method. It's what I used when I built my motor in my GTI and that had flawless compression and stood up to 10k miles of 400whp+ out of a 1.8L (and that thing was the first motor i'd built.. i'm sure Nissan/Infiniti does it better). I just quoted my dealer to show the difference in what people think is the right way to break in a car.
Anyways... I'm sure you're speaking from first hand experience and have a dyno that backs up the claims that your way is better.
Originally Posted by filanj
You're totally missing the whole concept. It's not about dyno claims and numbers. It is about engine longevity. Yes, the engine can make HP with 430 miles on the car. Woopdeedoo.
I thought I made the point with my comment about my GTI motor lasting 10k miles (more now under the new owner) with 250whp more than stock on a daily basis and 300whp more than stock on 100 oct. days.
That car was beat on and was just fine... I don't think you understand that that type of power and treatment far exceeds the typical wear any of our motors will have to withstand in their lifetime.
This is an age old arguement that could go on forever. You can do it your way, and I'll do it mine.
The difference is I've done it before with good results, while you're using some information you heard somewhere or read and think you understand.
Originally Posted by filanj
lol Yes, it really depends on what part you're from now. I'm from the REAL south Jersey (not the fake south Jersey as someone from Edison or Freehold would say)... around the Moorestown area. We say Jurze. Northerners and Fakers go with the Joisey pronunciation.
We used to pass through Moorestown going donna shore sometimes!
Originally Posted by filanj
My uncles have been building motors and cars for 30+ years, so dont ASSume I'm tallywacking BS hearsay. Congratulations on 'doing it once.' the majority of people aren't trying to fvck up their car or push it to the limit. Youre talking about a totally different subject as you misinterpreted the OP's initial concern.
10,000 miles on a motor... What a feat! The OP is talking about normal circumstances not about abusing a maxed out motor for 10k miles. Even if you're wear and tear was 10 times the normal value you are still KILLING the longevity of the motor. 10x10k.... 100k miles you took off the life of that motor per say. If that motor was going to last 200k, then it may only last 100k at your rate of destruction, but hey... what ever floats your boat
10,000 miles on a motor... What a feat! The OP is talking about normal circumstances not about abusing a maxed out motor for 10k miles. Even if you're wear and tear was 10 times the normal value you are still KILLING the longevity of the motor. 10x10k.... 100k miles you took off the life of that motor per say. If that motor was going to last 200k, then it may only last 100k at your rate of destruction, but hey... what ever floats your boat

Thanks.
Originally Posted by fast lane
I was told by the dealer that I should not use the paddle shifters until 1200 miles. Anyone want to comment on this? I did not see it in the manual for the break-in period.
Thanks for the help!
Thanks for the help!
Regarding break-in, there are two schools of thought. One is that you go easy on the engine, and constantly vary the RPMs, so that the engine surfaces have a chance to break in together. This is what I did, although I hit the gas pretty hard a few times, and once or twice broke 5k. This also worked for my last Nissan engine.
The other thought is that you need to wind it out during break-in, because that's the only chance for the piston rings to mate with the cylinder walls - high compression is needed to expand them, so they polish together.
Your call, although most will tell you to do it the first way (including me).
Originally Posted by filanj
I can just ask easily ask you to prove ANY of what you said with 'dyno claim's' or what have you, but that is a total waste of time and ignorance. I really neither have need to do so nor would it calm you since you're just trying to make any argument out of anything. You've managed to turn a simple question into a pointless argument that isn't going anywhere.
Thanks.
Thanks.

My first post just illustrated that he could use the paddle shifters if he wanted, and ontop of that, if he did rev too high or accelerate too hard, it was fine because that would help with the break in of the motor.
I don't really see this going anywhere now since you weren't able to provide any information about why my motor is going to die before expected, nor do you seem to be very interested in backing up your jerkoff claim that started this whole ordeal. There's a website dedicated to this engine break in style that's the first search result on google for 'engine break in'... find me one that preaches about killing engine life by using this method or just stop talking.



