I never said Intake will yield no power What I said is that it is not the bottleneck and adding a $250 CAI will not wakeup your engine to a whole new level. Just adding a Z-Tube and K&N filter is more than enough air to supply your Plenum. Have you seen the design of the current intake box? that thing can draw enough clean/cold air from the outside and just adding a K&N Filter will give you enough flow. Bottom line a 250 CAI is just for sound and the power is not dramatic that it outflow a drop in K&N filter or yield much more power.

 

hmmm actually the K&N filter shows pretty much the same amount of air flow that the G's stock filter permits as well ... i think that many people get it because it just doesnt have to be cleaned out or replaced as often as the stock filter does yayy for my .02cents haha

 

what the hell does "more than enough" mean????
the dam stock air filter is more than enough...more than enough that your car wont stall...what do you mean when you say "more than enough"?
if its "more than enough" why do people even get turbos or sc?

and if you've been talking about your situation where all you have is a mRev
(no exhaust, not hfc, no headers) then ya, a KnN or any other intake wont do very much...but if you have other mods that i've mentioned earlier, an after market intake will make a dramatic change (compared to a KnN or oem filter)(dramatic = maybe not quite 10hps but near there, maybe more)

basically the original question of this thread is, is $250 a waste of money for an after market intake?

and back to my og answer...if you have a stock (or relatively stock) G, an intake will not do much, but if you have couple of exhaust mods then an aftermarket intake will prove useful (other than just sound)

 

If you want noise and can live without the Stillen intake bling, take off the Power Duct cover and the over radiator snorkel. The induction noise rivals that of a POP/Stillen intake. Expect to loose some tip-in throttle response, especially on take-off and intake temps skyrocket when the car is at stop. I've datalogged numerous setups and the open designs will typically spike 30-40 degrees over ambient when the car is stopped for more than 30 seconds. The stock intake setup will only see a ~10 degree spike over ambient.

 

Do you have any Idea what FI is? forgive me if I only have Mrev for now coz I don't want to waste my money on NA stuff that won't yield power I had a SC Car back then and smart enough to know what i want and what my goals are, and MRev is the only Bolton that will give me noticable gain that wont brake my bank. Headers give good gains but the only headers that I would get is the Crawford and it cost almost 1G plus another 3-5 hundret to install (not worth it for me) Do you have any Idea what a difference between a short ram and a CAI intake? Have you seen the Dyno of any CAI and were the power shows?It is not not how much air that is coming that give power on this intake, it's the temp of the air that is trying to suck in. Did i say that Intake don't give powerYour dumbass comment about Turbo and SC has nothing to do with intake because Turbo/SC do Force the air hence Force Induction.





Is this Fact or your Rice Theory? an aftermarket intake will add a few ponies but not dramatically make increase your #. I've been in this board and never seen any article that states that our intake has been the bottleneck People rave about upgrade on the Plenum, Headers, HFC but never an Intake. If you ask any Vets here, the only thing that they will suggest that will actually make any difference is Plenum/spacer upgrade and Headers. Test Pipe or HFC will compliment the headers. If you strongly believe that an after marker Intake will wake the monster hidden on this mod then show me a FVcking Data that prove it, other wise keep your Rice theory to yourself.

 

By the way, did you ever did the math on you bolt-on vs FI route? coz you seem to know so much about it.

on stillen's site the kit is only $5,228
+ 800 - 1000 install so that's around $6,300 + Hood (i think $300 )= $6,500 ? Install should be easy coz no tuning required so you can save 1G if you do it yourself.

after doing the math

Crawford Headers = 980
Crawford HFC = 500
HKS Exhaust = 1400
Modified lower plenum (Mrev2) = 446 (has been dynoed to help non-revup motor)
UTEC/Tune = 1400+
Install will be around $1000+ for headers/HFC/Exhaust
That's about 5.7k+, this should have HP close enough but will have less torque than a Stillen SC Stage 2.

I guess for about 6-7 hundred more you'll have much more torque and nice pimp factor. Well minus - for ugly hood though.

with the same price you can go get a Votech and take stock boost/puley and conservative tune and much more HP

 

Let me start putting some fact here. Ztube/K&N vs Ztube/Stillen




Wow Big difference huh.


K&N combo did make a tad more power on the mid range and stillen made a tad on the last few hundred RPM

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lol...wtf are you talking about?????!!!!!!?!!?!?

what the F does short ram and a CAI intake have to do with anything we're talking about?
and if you don't what smart assss remarks, please elaborate what you mean when you said "more than enough air" (dont turbos and sc increase the amount of AIR going through the plenum to the engine? [hint of sarcasm])

the only rice theory i've noticed on this thread is from you..."mRev = 15 hps, intake = 5hp, therefore mRev + intake = 20 hps"

rice this, rice that.... please stop refering to rice theory.

and when the hell did we start discussing FI vs. N/A...please stay on topic
(btw all your info is from sitting on your asssssss punching keys, do you have any experience with our G's, doesnt seem like it)

and the og question on this thread is "waste of money?"
not "will a $250 intake wake up a monster in our engines?"

when the hell did i say or imply that an intake will "wake up the monster inside"?

so now back to my point(regarding the og question)...after reading many many posts about how intakes are for sound only...

ask anyone with couple or several exhaust mods (plenum spacer/mrev, headers, hfc, y/x pipes, exhaust)

"Is your after market intake worth the money? (not only for sound but actual performance)
and if they say "no" ask them to try going back to their stock airfilter, then they'll understand what i'm talking about

 

Turbo/SC force the air to the intake manifold. Cold Air Intake doesn't push more air into your intake manifold but it provide fresh colder air in your engine. If you know the basic, every few degrees that the air goes down it translate to more HP. Do you really thing that CAI intake actually forces more air to go in? then they should rename it to MAI "MORE AIR INTAKE".




I own one you tool and actually know were is the bottleneck and what Mod I need to actually make a difference I had modified all all the cars that I have owned and my G will no different. While you are celebrating for your Intake and Exhaust MOD, I'm already saving for my FI and Built Engine. So I don't give a FVck what you think of my mod coz I know better.


You did say this right
You are really an Idiot. This Mod will make a difference and not because of the intake. Did I mention that Headers actually make a difference so adding a HFC or Test Pipe and Exhaust will compliment that (Hope you are familiar with the Exhaust System). With or with out your aftermarket Intake this Mod has been Dynoed and proven to actually create power.


Hmmm lots of them including me did it and it is very easy to swap, and that is why for the last FVcking 4 years the comment that you always see is that it doesn't add that much(I didn't say didn't add anything). Maybe it will give you a few ponies but thats it. If you are comparing Honda or other cars, Intake does add some power but that is because their Stock Intake was design poorly. If you actually go under the hood and check where the G's Intake box is located, you'll see that it has a great path to fresh Air. Some CAI had to go underneath the car so it can suck in colder air but in reality, on summer days, the heat that is coming of the ground actually hearts the CAI. Please look at the dyno, Intake does help but ony on the upper RPM, It is very misleading because you can have a peak 5HPgain but only on the last few hundred miles. For me that is useless, a real Mod is something that actually add power across the power band. But if you are a Dyno Queen then more power to your extra 5hp.


I have given you Data and you have given me nothing. All you give me is "if you have other mods that I've mentioned earlier, an after market intake will make a dramatic change" alibi. Show me a Dyno that proves your theory. Or if you can't find one explain to me why our Stock Intake is a bad design? Have you actually mod your car? what do you have and tell me why you chose them, don't tell me because AEM told me it does work. The problem is that people just follow other and don't think ahead. know your goals and it will save you more $$$ and will be alot more happier in the end.

 

Funny that you guys mock each other's lack of knowledge, and yet you've wasted how many hours of your life fighting over the validity of a <2% power increase?

 

hmm..there seems to be quite a debate going on here..i just opted for the ztube and k&N cause it was cheaper and it gave me that sound that i was looking for

 

Not according to him. This has been discuss so many time and I'm tired. I'll let him win this one.

 

OMG??!?!?!!?!?!?!?

you have no idea what the F i'm talking about...

i cant and wont discuss this with you any more...why? because you're a dumbasssss and

you don't have a good enough understanding of the english language for me to continue on with this debate

you still have no idea what i'm saying, because everything you say has nothing to do with what we were discussing

go finish your grammar tutor, then we'll talk again

(y the F are you bringing up hondas and ****ttt [hondas have a completely different everything], and do you know what "sarcam" means?)

 

let me try one more time to explain...

(CAR #1)
bone stock (absolutely nothing done to this car, stock air filter)
lets say we get this car dynoed and it came up with lets say 235hps


(CAR #2)same year, same gas, same oil as CAR #1
but has mRev, crawford headers, crawford hfc, HKS hi power exhaust (including H-pipe), but STOCK air filter

and we get this car dynoed right after CAR #1 (same day, same dyno, same everything)

and lets say this car pulls 275 hps (hypothetical rice theory, your favorite)

now, we put on an aftermarket intake (lets just say a pop charger) on both cars 1 and 2
and we dyno both cars again right after the other...

(now read carefully cus this is what i've been trying to say the whole freakin time)

CAR #1 would pull something like 236/237 hps (an increase of 1-2 hps)
CAR #2 would pull something like 280/285 hps (an increase of 5-10 hps)

the same intake will generate more hps when used in a combination with exhaust mods

and when you have these exhaust mods (headers, hfcs, exhaust) an intake will prove usefull and worth the money you spend on it

(all numbers are hypothetical, just to get my point across)

(when i say "exhaust mods" these are the componets i'm talking about: headers, hfc, y/x/h pipes, mid pipe, and finally the outlet exhaust)

 

Do you know how to read? coz I never said that intake will never yield any power. I've been saying all along that it will, but it is very minuscule that it shouldn't be debated and should not expect anything from it. You have been always advocating that an after market intake will make dramatic change if combine with those Mods you mentioned. Until you can prove otherwise (with real data) that an aftermarket intake does help and produce great power across the power band and not just peak then you should just stick to your hypothetical theories. I'm done here coz all you have given is just theory and no data. I guess all you can do is mock my grammar coz you can't have an intelligent debate that discuss data and real world result. This discussion is over enjoy your day. By the way after all this discussion, you haven't contributed any new information that can convince me otherwise and you just wasted my time.