Funny you should mention it. This was my third attempt at getting photos. The first time, I shot with my point-n-shoot Fuji--didn't like the result. The second time I used my Canon DSLR (older 20D), but i had it set on very high ISO by mistake and pictures were blown when I saw them at home. Third time worked out.

 

konartist - sent you a pm!

 

Thumbs up on Wheels and Spacer Choice!

That's true flushness WITH proper alignment.

Playing with spacer's and flushness is truly an Art/Science

 

Hey Mishmosh, in terms of your spacers, since you went with 15mm, would u say 20mm is overly flush? Or still slightly slightly tucked in?

I saw ckp's at 25mm, and it looks very flush.

Also, if I went with 20mm (if I was lowered on eibachs), do u think if I hit pothole or something to that effect, the tires would hit the fenders?

Has that ever happended to u with your 15mm?

Thanks.

 

With Eibachs and M45 rims, 20mm spacers are a bit tucked in (still looks good though) and 25mm is very flush.


Note, the following is based on in-spec camber & 245/40/19 RE050A tires.

25mm spacers - The rears will SLIGHTLY rub under SUPER EXTREME conditions (full load in back, going over big bump on the freeway). The fronts rubbed a couple times while making extreme turns during my canyon carving run. Basically, you will not rub 99.99% of the time.

20mm spacers - You should not have any rubbing problems.

 

Thanks this is very very helpful!

do you happen to know the offsets of the stock 17's? Will there be any issues with the 17 stockers when I put them on in the winter with the 20mm?

I dont think there would be though.. just checking nonetheless.

 

Wes if you are okay with the M 19" wheels and spacers you will be perfectly fine with your stock 17s and the spacers.
The offset of the OEM 17s is 45mm.

 

I see your under a new alias now Wayne hehe

k thanks. But if im running stockers with 45mm offsets, its basically like... running 25mm spacers with 17 stockers compared to running m45's with 20mm spacers. Right?

If that is the case, then there is a chance I'll rub? under hard driving or under max load.

 

Stock X rim - 17x7.5 (+45mm offset)
no spacer = 50.25 (distance in mm from outer edge to hub mounting surface)
25mm spacer = 75.25
30mm spacer = 80.25

M rim - 19x8.5 (+50mm offset)
no spacer = 57.95
20mm spacer = 77.95
25mm spacer = 82.95

You can run 30mm spacers on the stock 17" X rim and most likely won't ever have a rubbing problem, the rears at least. With 25mm spacers on stock 17" X rims you should never have a rubbing problem.

 

Offset is calculated from the exact centerline middle of the rim. Zero offset means the hub mounting point of the rim (the part of the rim that bolts up to the hub on your car) is exactly right in the middle of the rim.

M45 rims are 8.5" wide +50 offsets. Therefore, the hub mounting point is 50 millimeters further outside from the centerline of the rim.

Minus offsets go in the opposite direction. So, a -10 offset rim means the hub mounting point on the rim is 10 mm further IN from the centerline of the rim.

As CalsonicVQ points out in his calculations, rim width affects offset. So, a stock 7.5" rim with 20 mm spacers (+25 effective offset) would actually be about 8mm more sunken in (less aggressive) than a M45 8.5" rim with 20mm spacers (+30 effective offset). By virtue of the narrower 7.5" width, you would also have about 18mm more clearance on the inside.

 

ah yes.. I forgot to take into consideration the wideness of the stockers.

Thanks so much for making this clear guys.

You guys kick ***!

 

The M45 rims are not flush with 15mm spacers but are pretty close since my alignment has very little negative camber. I just put on my other set of summer wheels while my M45's get new tires, and those set actually stick out a smidge. I would also guess that my winter set would also stick out a smidge too. I am definitely glad I went with 15mm spacer. Like others though, I am getting some mild vibration at around 70mph with the Ichiba V2 spacers--I will have to look at my install later. Not sure why I would but I do. My rims are roadforce balanced and without the spacers, they are completely smooth at speed up to 80mph.

 

Mild vibration eh? yikes.. I dont like the sound of that.

Im having a hard time getting my tires balanced already. Im gonna have it rebalanced for the 3rd time next weekend. This time, with roadforce balance.

Hmmmm.. I was already a bit dodgy about the idea of spacers.. now that Im finally wrapping my head around it, now im not so sure again.

Any chance ichiba v1 rather than v2 would result in less likelihood of vibration?

 

Couple questions for you guys..

I gather there are a few different types of the M35/45 sport rims (gen1, gen2, different colors, etc)? What's out there exactly?

Also, it seems a few people may have had the M rims and wound up swapping out for something... less OEM.. (looking at you Jeff ) What's up with that? heh

 

There are basically two kinds of M rims. Gen 1 and 2.

Mishmosh is gen 1. Mine is gen 2. Thats it.