NorthEast Mountain Run IV: Spet 30th
Originally Posted by gqong
wow sucks to hear jerome blew his motor, hes a good guy. i wonder what happened, possibly the engine mgmt or the tune is the likely cause of blown motors. unless he hit a boost spike. hope everything works out for him.
Originally Posted by 617G
the tune does not put a rod through the block....there was no sign of knock or any issues...the motor just went...go to the source and stop speculating 

That's a very simplified way of saying it....if there was an issue, then there would be detonation, aka knock, which there wasn't...You can't just simplify something like that and blame the "tune"
You also need to understand that Jerome has had the same tune for over a year and has had his TN kit for >20k miles and has changed a lot since his last tune, including the JIC single exhaust, downpipes, etc...there are too many factors in this particular situation so you can't just go around saying his tune was bad
Jerome has gone back to the same shop with no hard feelings and is rebuilding
You also need to understand that Jerome has had the same tune for over a year and has had his TN kit for >20k miles and has changed a lot since his last tune, including the JIC single exhaust, downpipes, etc...there are too many factors in this particular situation so you can't just go around saying his tune was bad
Jerome has gone back to the same shop with no hard feelings and is rebuilding

Originally Posted by OMEGA46
Wouldn't a faulty "tune" blow a motor if the A/F ratio somehow got screwy? Perhaps not enough "safety" written into a tune could blow a motor if by chance crap gas was run, a "boost spike" etc?
Originally Posted by 617G
That's a very simplified way of saying it....if there was an issue, then there would be detonation, aka knock, which there wasn't...You can't just simplify something like that and blame the "tune"
You also need to understand that Jerome has had the same tune for over a year and has had his TN kit for >20k miles and has changed a lot since his last tune, including the JIC single exhaust, downpipes, etc...there are too many factors in this particular situation so you can't just go around saying his tune was bad
Jerome has gone back to the same shop with no hard feelings and is rebuilding
You also need to understand that Jerome has had the same tune for over a year and has had his TN kit for >20k miles and has changed a lot since his last tune, including the JIC single exhaust, downpipes, etc...there are too many factors in this particular situation so you can't just go around saying his tune was bad
Jerome has gone back to the same shop with no hard feelings and is rebuilding

BTW, when his motor blew, (Sorry Jerome, hope it gets fixed really fast for ya), and Brian flew and caught up to the lead group, I went back with Brian to make sure everything was OK and to be of any help I could. No need to defend anything.
Originally Posted by OMEGA46
Relax, Im not blaming anything or anyone, just addressing the possibility. I had a FI car where the "Tune" was the blame because of the way it was written, it didn't allow much room for changes in ambient air temps, gas quality, a change in exhaust etc. It was written to make max power with virtually no "Safety Margin", i.e. running richer to prevent and compensate for the things I listed. No one here is pointing fingers and placing blame, its a discussion.
BTW, when his motor blew, (Sorry Jerome, hope it gets fixed really fast for ya), and Brian flew and caught up to the lead group, I went back with Brian to make sure everything was OK and to be of any help I could. No need to defend anything.
BTW, when his motor blew, (Sorry Jerome, hope it gets fixed really fast for ya), and Brian flew and caught up to the lead group, I went back with Brian to make sure everything was OK and to be of any help I could. No need to defend anything.

Originally Posted by 617G
the tune does not put a rod through the block....there was no sign of knock or any issues...the motor just went...go to the source and stop speculating 

first off dude i said its a possibility...A POSSIBILITY...IT HAPPENS...do i know if it knocked or detonated? it CAN HAPPEN AND yes can be the tune. for his case maybe not i was simply asking, i wasnt there i didnt know...kthx..bye
Originally Posted by 617G
That's a very simplified way of saying it....if there was an issue, then there would be detonation, aka knock, which there wasn't...You can't just simplify something like that and blame the "tune"
You also need to understand that Jerome has had the same tune for over a year and has had his TN kit for >20k miles and has changed a lot since his last tune, including the JIC single exhaust, downpipes, etc...there are too many factors in this particular situation so you can't just go around saying his tune was bad
Jerome has gone back to the same shop with no hard feelings and is rebuilding
You also need to understand that Jerome has had the same tune for over a year and has had his TN kit for >20k miles and has changed a lot since his last tune, including the JIC single exhaust, downpipes, etc...there are too many factors in this particular situation so you can't just go around saying his tune was bad
Jerome has gone back to the same shop with no hard feelings and is rebuilding

AND Did i say the tune was bad? NOPE...there has been occurances when engine mgmts fail and the piggy back may not have done its job...so read next time and make sure things are CRYSTAL CLEAR..kthx
i got the clips they failed while batching because they were to big i am cutting them down and re uploading them,
also Jerom just got his turbo back and re installed 2 days before the run, as he upgraded it or something and said it seemed to be running fine, but i guess not =0/
Joe
also Jerom just got his turbo back and re installed 2 days before the run, as he upgraded it or something and said it seemed to be running fine, but i guess not =0/
Joe
Originally Posted by gqong
first off dude i said its a possibility...A POSSIBILITY...IT HAPPENS...do i know if it knocked or detonated? it CAN HAPPEN AND yes can be the tune. for his case maybe not i was simply asking, i wasnt there i didnt know...kthx..bye
...maybe if you tuned it, it wouldn't have blown
kthnx
Last edited by 617G; Oct 8, 2007 at 11:04 PM.
Originally Posted by 617G
we both know what you meant and we both know how you feel about the tuner...i don't want people getting a false impression of what happened and neither does Jerome, but you should know that already after what's happened before
...maybe if you tuned it, it wouldn't have blown
kthnx
...maybe if you tuned it, it wouldn't have blown
kthnxso, im just curious why youre so avidly sticking up for the tuner?
Originally Posted by 617G
we both know what you meant and we both know how you feel about the tuner...i don't want people getting a false impression of what happened and neither does Jerome, but you should know that already after what's happened before
...maybe if you tuned it, it wouldn't have blown
kthnx
...maybe if you tuned it, it wouldn't have blown
kthnx
kthx




