Dyno'd Z-tube+K&N replacment filter
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From: Arlington TX
Dyno'd Z-tube+K&N replacment filter
I dyno'd my 2003 5AT G35C, 2 weeks ago, after adding a Z-tube and K&N. The only mod I had was my Invidia G200 exhaust.
I lost more HP and TQ under 6,000 RPM While the car was on the dyno, the tech told me he could feel the car bog.
Before
231.55 HP 216.77 FT-LB
After
234.31 HP 212.49 FT-LB
This past Saturday I reset my ECU, disconnected the negative battery cable and pumped the brake pedal. The car seems to drive a little better. I'll try to do a dyno run this next Friday to see if resetting the ECU made any difference. The down side the temperature is 15 to 20 degrees cooler than when I did my first dyno runs.
I lost more HP and TQ under 6,000 RPM While the car was on the dyno, the tech told me he could feel the car bog.
Before
231.55 HP 216.77 FT-LB
After
234.31 HP 212.49 FT-LB
This past Saturday I reset my ECU, disconnected the negative battery cable and pumped the brake pedal. The car seems to drive a little better. I'll try to do a dyno run this next Friday to see if resetting the ECU made any difference. The down side the temperature is 15 to 20 degrees cooler than when I did my first dyno runs.
#2
Originally Posted by G35StrongMan
I dyno'd my 2003 5AT G35C, 2 weeks ago, after adding a Z-tube and K&N. The only mod I had was my Invidia G200 exhaust.
I lost more HP and TQ under 6,000 RPM While the car was on the dyno, the tech told me he could feel the car bog.
Before
231.55 HP 216.77 FT-LB
After
234.31 HP 212.49 FT-LB
This past Saturday I reset my ECU, disconnected the negative battery cable and pumped the brake pedal. The car seems to drive a little better. I'll try to do a dyno run this next Friday to see if resetting the ECU made any difference. The down side the temperature is 15 to 20 degrees cooler than when I did my first dyno runs.
I lost more HP and TQ under 6,000 RPM While the car was on the dyno, the tech told me he could feel the car bog.
Before
231.55 HP 216.77 FT-LB
After
234.31 HP 212.49 FT-LB
This past Saturday I reset my ECU, disconnected the negative battery cable and pumped the brake pedal. The car seems to drive a little better. I'll try to do a dyno run this next Friday to see if resetting the ECU made any difference. The down side the temperature is 15 to 20 degrees cooler than when I did my first dyno runs.
Yes, something is going on. It actually concerns me somewhat because we saw the same thing with the 95-99 Maximas. The Maxima guys would replace the inline resonator (much like the one G35) with a straight pipe. This added some sweet induction noise and what we thought was more power since the resonator looked restrictive and really quieted down the induction noise. No one ever did a comparison dyno to know for sure. Then last year someone did do a comparison run. Sure enough, the resonator does in fact help power. Just like your dyno, we saw gains of ~5-12whp from 3500-5200rpms with little change at peak. I put the resonator back on and my Maxima ran it's best ever of a 14.3@99mph.
It turns out the stock resonator was actually a helmhotlz resonator that improved the air movement into the engine. Is the G's intake pipe doing the same? Why doesn't the Z have the resonator then?
Maybe I'll put the stock pipe on and let you know what I feel.
Here's the Maxima dyno, with and without the resonator. It looks pretty similiar if you ask me:
Last edited by DaveB; 10-10-2005 at 03:21 PM.
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Well, I swapped on the stock resonated intake pipe and drove around for an hour tonight. The car didn't feel as frisky. When I swapped on the resonated intake pipe on my Maxima, the power increase was pretty noticable. I don't know what to tell you.
My best guess is your car might have been a bit heat soaked this go around
What did your other pulls look like? What were the conditions between the two days?
My best guess is your car might have been a bit heat soaked this go around
What did your other pulls look like? What were the conditions between the two days?
#4
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From: Arlington TX
DaveB,
Thanks for your interest and input. My goal was to increase the overall power of my G, without any side effects.
I post my dynos so people don’t have the same problems and/or frustration, I do.
Both days were @ 95 degrees, live in the DFW area. I've done a total of 9 runs on the same dyno, stock, Invidia, and Z-tube+K&N. Each run made more power, the shop though it was odd, since normally the 3rd pull, during the 3 , is normally lower than the 2nd .
Monday I had the ISO Thermal Kit and ½” MD spacer installed. I didn’t have time to dyno my car, I’m going back this Friday. The downside, it’s about 15 degrees cooler, this week. Hopefully the curve will be
more consistent with the spacer installed and ISO Kit.
I’ve talked to 2 shops about adding an X-pipe to my Invidia exhaust. That’s my last ditch effort to get my TQ back to/or above stock.
Thanks for your interest and input. My goal was to increase the overall power of my G, without any side effects.
I post my dynos so people don’t have the same problems and/or frustration, I do.
Both days were @ 95 degrees, live in the DFW area. I've done a total of 9 runs on the same dyno, stock, Invidia, and Z-tube+K&N. Each run made more power, the shop though it was odd, since normally the 3rd pull, during the 3 , is normally lower than the 2nd .
Monday I had the ISO Thermal Kit and ½” MD spacer installed. I didn’t have time to dyno my car, I’m going back this Friday. The downside, it’s about 15 degrees cooler, this week. Hopefully the curve will be
more consistent with the spacer installed and ISO Kit.
I’ve talked to 2 shops about adding an X-pipe to my Invidia exhaust. That’s my last ditch effort to get my TQ back to/or above stock.
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Hey Strongman,
I think it was probably your ECU going into lazy mode. Before you go into the shop, do several passes in front of the shop in 3rd or 4th gear from 2K rpm to redline.
This will tell your ECU you mean business and spank it into performance mode.
Another thing to do is to actually turn your AC on while pulling into the shop and while preparing for the dyno. Leave the AC on low. The point is to get the radiator fans going.
When the fans are on it will pump out a lot of heat from the engine. The objective is to get your coolant temps down. While the fans are on let the engine rev at about 2K while in neutral. This will get the water pump going and your car will cool down rapidly in about 3 minutes.
Everybody should do this before going to the dyno or even between runs at the strip.
From 170'F to 220'F in 10 degree intervals. I measured engine performance Vs engine coolant temp.... and it makes a big difference.
I think it was probably your ECU going into lazy mode. Before you go into the shop, do several passes in front of the shop in 3rd or 4th gear from 2K rpm to redline.
This will tell your ECU you mean business and spank it into performance mode.
Another thing to do is to actually turn your AC on while pulling into the shop and while preparing for the dyno. Leave the AC on low. The point is to get the radiator fans going.
When the fans are on it will pump out a lot of heat from the engine. The objective is to get your coolant temps down. While the fans are on let the engine rev at about 2K while in neutral. This will get the water pump going and your car will cool down rapidly in about 3 minutes.
Everybody should do this before going to the dyno or even between runs at the strip.
From 170'F to 220'F in 10 degree intervals. I measured engine performance Vs engine coolant temp.... and it makes a big difference.
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From: Arlington TX
Thanks for your suggestions Hydrazine. I just had the ISO Thermal Kit and 1/2" spacer installed Monday, headed to the dyno Friday (10-14).
I planned on disconnecting the negative battery cable and pumping the brake pedal. It's a 50 mile drive from my house to the dyno. I'll break 100mph two to three times on my way The computer should know I mean business by the time I make it to the dyno shop
Also I purchased my Z-tube from www.worldpartsexpress.com The inside of the Z-tube has a rubber coating , it's not smooth like the outside .
Has anyone else examined there's before installing it?
I planned on disconnecting the negative battery cable and pumping the brake pedal. It's a 50 mile drive from my house to the dyno. I'll break 100mph two to three times on my way The computer should know I mean business by the time I make it to the dyno shop
Also I purchased my Z-tube from www.worldpartsexpress.com The inside of the Z-tube has a rubber coating , it's not smooth like the outside .
Has anyone else examined there's before installing it?
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I myself have noted a difference between the z-tube and the g-tube. Although the z-tube sounds better and provides better top end results, I think the g-tube gives better low end results. Anyone else have any experiences? I would like to investigate this further.
Last edited by PieroG35; 10-16-2005 at 04:57 PM.
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Originally Posted by G35StrongMan
It's a 50 mile drive from my house to the dyno. I'll break 100mph two to three times on my way The computer should know I mean business by the time I make it to the dyno shop
I also suggest doing the WOT passes just before getting on the dyno. Keep the ECU from going into the lazy mode.
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I have the Z-tube and the JWT Pop Charger. I love the aggressive sound, but my car benefits on the low end as far as performance goes.
The cold air intakes have mixed results. If the Nismo is working for you, keep it. Where are you located? That will tell us if you're gonna benefit much from the Nismo intake.
The cold air intakes have mixed results. If the Nismo is working for you, keep it. Where are you located? That will tell us if you're gonna benefit much from the Nismo intake.