Plan for a meet again in houston all nissans
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i woudl of went the to july 2nd but has work. i just wanted a hang out meet not the whole rally thing. just eat hang out talk. and a small crusie im guessing. no extreme cornoring had a bad experience.
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Originally Posted by G35_Foo
i woudl of went the to july 2nd but has work. i just wanted a hang out meet not the whole rally thing. just eat hang out talk. and a small crusie im guessing. no extreme cornoring had a bad experience.
It sounds like you should be driving something other than a G35! Just want to hang out and meet? No rally thing? Can't spell....Don't want to have fun in your G? What's up with you? Those of us who drove the July 2nd rally had a GREAT time. We also hung out at Starbucks for awhile and got to know eachother a little. Just what is it you want to do?
Stand around and look at eachothers cars. Not fun at all..............
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Originally Posted by cato
G35_Foo,
It sounds like you should be driving something other than a G35! Just want to hang out and meet? No rally thing? Can't spell....Don't want to have fun in your G? What's up with you? Those of us who drove the July 2nd rally had a GREAT time. We also hung out at Starbucks for awhile and got to know eachother a little. Just what is it you want to do? Stand around and look at eachothers cars. Not fun at all..............
It sounds like you should be driving something other than a G35! Just want to hang out and meet? No rally thing? Can't spell....Don't want to have fun in your G? What's up with you? Those of us who drove the July 2nd rally had a GREAT time. We also hung out at Starbucks for awhile and got to know eachother a little. Just what is it you want to do?
Stand around and look at eachothers cars. Not fun at all.............. One time me and a friend were taking a cruise in a brand new Toyota Solara convertable. His dad worked at a used car dealership and would always bring home "fun" cars for us to drive just around the neighborhood, like S2000s and Camaros ad the like. Well, I usually never drove these cars but on this Toyota I was like ok pull over I want to have some fun... The traction control was already off as I hopped it and put it in drive. We went back to where they were biulding new houses so no one was around and there was dirt and gravel all over the roads - this combined with the traction being off and a sharp turn was no good. I ended up plowing the nose of the car into the curb bending the rim, messing up the front bumper, side skirts, and probably a few other things that we couldnt see. I started to freak out because at the time I was only 17 and didn't have the money to take care of what I just messed up. On the way back my friend took the heat for me. He told his dad it had gotten out of control and he messed it up. Me and him are no longer friends - not because of what happened, but other things that aren't related to the story. His dad, his mom, and my parents never knew what really happened... everyone just thought we parked too close to the curb and that was it....
To this day I am scared to take corners fast. I respect my car and don't need or want anything to happen to it. I'm 19, I can't afford this car, my parents bought it for me and I want to respect it and take care of it because I don't have many responsibilities so the ones I do have I try to make sure I obey and take of business. For whatever reason G35 Foo has for not taking corners quickly I would be right there with him, whethr hsi story is smaller or bigger than mine me and him will hold it down in the rear....
Would I go on another rally? Yes. Did I have fun? Yes. Would I push the car harder than I did on the 2nd [taking corners]? No. As aot o you know I'll have all the fun I can handle in a straight line and love the speed but the corners aren't my cup of tea.
Another story...
One night back in Tyler [where I moved from] me and some friends decide to go on some back roads and have some fun - similar to what we did on the 2nd. My car was still stock so I wasn't as worried about th gravel etc knowing any rock chips etc would be taken care of later. It was late, dark, and in the middle of know where. By the time it was time to start heading home we were deep into the back country of a nearby podunk town. We didn't know which way was which, we were lost. We had seen people walking the roads which freaked us out even more...we had to get out. The driving become more irratic as we followed in a closely knit line [remember, we were driving more expensive cars ranging from 30-50K and were in what seemed a VERY bad part of hickville] The speeds became highe and we started slamming on the brakes later into corners etc. I got tired of the guy who was leading because it seemed like he wanted to get us even more lost and wanted to go deeper instead of what me and some others thought was going away from the interstate. I took the lead and comming into a hair pin turn I slammed on the brakes, hit some rocks and some very rough bumps as we were on a tar road; even though I was on the inside of the turn at the beginning I was hardly even into the curve before I realized my passanger tires had left the road. VDC was on but never kicked in, never flashed, never worked. There was a lip on the road and as the cars passanger tires hopped off I think they dug into some soft sand and the car reacted to the wheel being turned all the way to the left and lunged back onto the road and I took the rest of the curve with better control, but my heart was pounding. Now the gas light was on and we stil didn't know where we were. Ending, we got out ok and everyones cars were ok but its just one more reason I don't like curves.
Phew. Cliffs notes: I'll stand behind G35 Foo when he says he does't like corners.
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HomeG35, I really appreciate everything you wrote. It takes guts and integrity to write that. I respect you for that.
First of all, based on G35_FOO's and HomieG35's comments, I think there is a strong possibility that there have been some misunderstandings regarding the nature of these types of drives. I am not speaking on behalf of Cato, but, as someone who has organized a few drives myself, I think Cato and I agree on some key elements of these drives:
1- Safety comes first: Nothing is worth endangering yourself or the other drivers near you.
2- Everyone, including the rally organizer, should drive within his and her skill level. Don't try to push yourself to keep up with faster drivers. There will ALWAYS be faster riders than you. Don't try to be King of the Hill. It's not worth it.
Anybody can drive 150 mph in a straight line; heck, you don't even have to have your eyes open! But it takes skill and experience to stop a car going 150 mph when a deer walks out in front of you. It also takes skill and experience to take curves and drive around unexpected road obstacles at higher speeds. If you are a new driver, drive at your own skill level. If you are an older driver like me, but still fairly inexperienced and with little training, again, drive at your own skill level.
3- There is no expectation that you have to keep up with the driver in front of you. If the guy in front of you is going faster than you can, let the guys behind you pass you. There is no shame in doing that. I have been in some drives where I have had to let the guys behind me pass me because they were faster i.e. they were better, more experienced drivers than I was. No one is going to congratulate you at your funeral for trying to drive beyond your skill level.
4- Do not equate your car's brand, tires, suspension upgrades, and other improvements with being able to drive faster or better. You will enter into a false sense of confidence and end up in the hospital or six feet under. The upgrades and improvements help, but only if you know how to use them. That comes with years of experience and training.
5- Finally, go to rallies to ENJOY driving your car. Liv had an excellent quote after the second Raging Bull Texas Stampede: "No one went to show who's the best driver, who has the fastest car, who has the most mods. We all went to enjoy our cars for their purpose: to be driven."
And I believe that last point - along with the previous four - is what Cato was trying to convey when he was asking G35_Foo why he was not interested in attending rallies. I appreciate G35_Foo for saying that he had had a bad experience - it takes guts to share that with others. But, from his comments, it was also clear (to me at least) that he felt he had to participate in some extreme cornering and driving which he was not ready to do at this point. He is being responsible. That should be respected by everyone. I encourage G35_Foo to join the next rally, but focus on enjoying driving his car at his own skill level. I am pretty sure there will be other drivers around him. I've been where he is.
If everyone does not try to follow the guidelines I have listed above, you know what will happen? Some people will get hurt, some others will get killed, police departments and sherriff's offices in the area will begin scrutinizing each and every rally, we may begin getting bad media coverage, small towns folk will report every sighting of a G35 or Z to the local sheriff, and driving in the countryside will become a thing of the past (at least for some time). It'll only come to hurt us.
No, no, please don't do that. See points #2 and #3.
See point #4.
That is how you can get yourself killed. You're too young - don't risk it.
That is a very responsible attitude to have. Now, please do what you say.
I think you are taking straight line speeding a little too lightly. Always be prepared for the unexpected. Being prepared requires sound judgment as well as years of experience and training. Most drivers without autocross or other training do not know the limits of their vehicle's capabilities. 130 mph on a drag strip is not the same as 130 mph on a country road where one chicken, deer, beach ball, racoon, child or buzzard could throw you totally off of your balance, forcing you to drive around it and perhaps into oncoming traffic. If you don't like curves, will you be able to drive around obstacles at 130mph? If you don't have experience doing it in curves, don't do it on straight line roads. That is my recommendation.
HomieG35, I hope you will take my comments as constructive feedback. You are a young guy privileged to drive a great sports car. I write these because I don't want you or others to get hurt. I also want as many people as possible to feel comfortable attending these rallies and enjoying driving their Gs in a safe way. I apologize if I have offended you in any way.
First of all, based on G35_FOO's and HomieG35's comments, I think there is a strong possibility that there have been some misunderstandings regarding the nature of these types of drives. I am not speaking on behalf of Cato, but, as someone who has organized a few drives myself, I think Cato and I agree on some key elements of these drives:
1- Safety comes first: Nothing is worth endangering yourself or the other drivers near you.
2- Everyone, including the rally organizer, should drive within his and her skill level. Don't try to push yourself to keep up with faster drivers. There will ALWAYS be faster riders than you. Don't try to be King of the Hill. It's not worth it.
Anybody can drive 150 mph in a straight line; heck, you don't even have to have your eyes open! But it takes skill and experience to stop a car going 150 mph when a deer walks out in front of you. It also takes skill and experience to take curves and drive around unexpected road obstacles at higher speeds. If you are a new driver, drive at your own skill level. If you are an older driver like me, but still fairly inexperienced and with little training, again, drive at your own skill level.
3- There is no expectation that you have to keep up with the driver in front of you. If the guy in front of you is going faster than you can, let the guys behind you pass you. There is no shame in doing that. I have been in some drives where I have had to let the guys behind me pass me because they were faster i.e. they were better, more experienced drivers than I was. No one is going to congratulate you at your funeral for trying to drive beyond your skill level.
4- Do not equate your car's brand, tires, suspension upgrades, and other improvements with being able to drive faster or better. You will enter into a false sense of confidence and end up in the hospital or six feet under. The upgrades and improvements help, but only if you know how to use them. That comes with years of experience and training.
5- Finally, go to rallies to ENJOY driving your car. Liv had an excellent quote after the second Raging Bull Texas Stampede: "No one went to show who's the best driver, who has the fastest car, who has the most mods. We all went to enjoy our cars for their purpose: to be driven."
And I believe that last point - along with the previous four - is what Cato was trying to convey when he was asking G35_Foo why he was not interested in attending rallies. I appreciate G35_Foo for saying that he had had a bad experience - it takes guts to share that with others. But, from his comments, it was also clear (to me at least) that he felt he had to participate in some extreme cornering and driving which he was not ready to do at this point. He is being responsible. That should be respected by everyone. I encourage G35_Foo to join the next rally, but focus on enjoying driving his car at his own skill level. I am pretty sure there will be other drivers around him. I've been where he is.
If everyone does not try to follow the guidelines I have listed above, you know what will happen? Some people will get hurt, some others will get killed, police departments and sherriff's offices in the area will begin scrutinizing each and every rally, we may begin getting bad media coverage, small towns folk will report every sighting of a G35 or Z to the local sheriff, and driving in the countryside will become a thing of the past (at least for some time). It'll only come to hurt us.
Originally Posted by HomieG35
I can understand where this guy is comming from. I had NO intention of going fast through any of the corners we took on the 2nd but because I was in the middle and had to keep up with who was infront and not bore the people behind me I tried my luck at the turns.
Originally Posted by HomieG35
I have rims and tires that have been proven to grip well in all the tests so I thought if a coupe with stock rims and tires could do it at a certain speed I should be able to do it just as well.
Originally Posted by HomieG35
There were a few "oh ****" moments but a few whee I would just turn off the radio and have fun and had a huge grin on my face because I'd never done what I was doing before.
Originally Posted by HomieG35
To this day I am scared to take corners fast. I respect my car and don't need or want anything to happen to it. I'm 19, I can't afford this car, my parents bought it for me and I want to respect it and take care of it because I don't have many responsibilities so the ones I do have I try to make sure I obey and take of business. For whatever reason G35 Foo has for not taking corners quickly I would be right there with him, whethr hsi story is smaller or bigger than mine me and him will hold it down in the rear....
Originally Posted by HomieG35
...As aot o you know I'll have all the fun I can handle in a straight line and love the speed but the corners aren't my cup of tea.
HomieG35, I hope you will take my comments as constructive feedback. You are a young guy privileged to drive a great sports car. I write these because I don't want you or others to get hurt. I also want as many people as possible to feel comfortable attending these rallies and enjoying driving their Gs in a safe way. I apologize if I have offended you in any way.
Last edited by youngturk; Jul 4, 2005 at 06:10 PM.
ok wow those are long posts.
i wish i had seen the cruise/rally sooner oh well. those of you who look at houston-imports, keep an eye out for the N.S.F.R. (North Side Fun Run). ill post up a link when another one comes around. They take backroads all up in the woodlands area for like 2 hours. its lots of fun.
the racepark up on the NE side is Houston Motorsports Park.
i wish i had seen the cruise/rally sooner oh well. those of you who look at houston-imports, keep an eye out for the N.S.F.R. (North Side Fun Run). ill post up a link when another one comes around. They take backroads all up in the woodlands area for like 2 hours. its lots of fun.
the racepark up on the NE side is Houston Motorsports Park.
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Wow is right! The meat of my comments to G35_Foo were meant to say: Why have a G35 if all you want to do is stand around looking at it? This car was built to "drive". I also agree that you definitly don't want or need to drive faster than you feel comfortable. The speeds I drove on July 2nd were VERY comfortable to ME, as I had driven that route several times over the previous week. I do understand not wanting to drive faster than you feel comfortable with. During the 2nd Ragin' Bull Texas Stampede, I felt I was driving beyond my level......IF I drive the third RBTS, I will bring up the rear! If this is why HomieG35 and Infinite1 were fighting to claim that spot, I certaintly understand. I firmly believe the July 2nd rally was a safe one, as I felt I was staying within the limits of safe speed for those turns with our cars. Whew! 
First of all i agree with everyones comments especially turks'. We can't stress safety enough! And that is exactly why i chose to be in the back b/c i was unaware of where my skills are and how the car would handle. It is my first rear-wheel drive car. So i went at my own pace....I share a bad experience as well...i was sideswiped off I-10 in my old fixed up Integra about 5yrs ago where i landed in the bayou and almost drowned...Fortunately for me i kicked the window out before i was completely under...So speeding and taking corners at high speed does give me the jitters a bit....No one here and i mean no one should feel ashamed or embarrassed about it!
G35_Foo i definitely encourage you to come out and rally with us one time...I'm not telling you to speed...i'm not telling you to push yourself to the limits...All i'm saying is come out and enjoy your car! Also, who knows it may help you get over your bad experience I know it helped me some....Don't get me wrong we will go to eat and hang out after the rally or what not if that's what you're interested in...so come out join in the fun!
Poptarts...I'm on houston-imports same screen name...look me up! I don't really post much on there i just read other posts and stuff.....and look at some pics of some hot asian chicks...ahahah....
Sorry for the long post again!
G35_Foo i definitely encourage you to come out and rally with us one time...I'm not telling you to speed...i'm not telling you to push yourself to the limits...All i'm saying is come out and enjoy your car! Also, who knows it may help you get over your bad experience I know it helped me some....Don't get me wrong we will go to eat and hang out after the rally or what not if that's what you're interested in...so come out join in the fun!
Poptarts...I'm on houston-imports same screen name...look me up! I don't really post much on there i just read other posts and stuff.....and look at some pics of some hot asian chicks...ahahah....
Sorry for the long post again!
Ok so back to subject at hand....I'm going to post up planning for a next meet will that be a strictly G meet or all nissan/infiniti meet? I was thinking post up as G's first to see how much of a turnout we get and then post another meet with the nissan/infiniti cousins. Let me know! Are we going to do a track day at one of the tracks (North Houston or Sealy)? I want to give people enough time in advance to check schedules and stuff!
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