Will Magnaflow be releasing a metallic version?

Hey I work for the government....HA.

Can anyone chime in on this? I would think that if you had to certify and document anything like this it would require serial numbers on your cats. I haven't seen mine so I wouldn't know if there are any. Otherwise who's going to be able to tell whos cats are actually in the trash? Sure I guess you can have a shop sign off on it...but...its like we all know that somewhere there is a smog check place that can pass us wether we pass or not. That would also require havinga goverment official to certify cats. Whos to say those cats really came from your car without a serial number? Will there be someone standing there everytime a cat is removed? Documentation requires a lot of work.

It seems similar to the Hi capacity gun magazine laws there are in CA. I don't have documentation that I've had them before Jan 2000, but all I have to do is say, I got them in 1998. If they don't believe me, then they have to find proof, and I don't have to defend myself.

Edit- SORRY I'm not trying to promote illegal activity. I'm just responding to someone on how in my opinion it would be hard to document removed cats. If mods feel the need to delete this post I understand.

When I said documentation I meant some kind of certification of who did the replacement and why… IOW, if/when it is determined that they had been replaced, proof of viable documentation form a BAR certified mechanic (just like licensed smog techs)…

I have HFC so I’m not dissuading anyone from anything… I just wouldn’t jump on the “it’s legal” band wagon without lots of detailed information explaining what and how I need to prove the legality.

I can tell you this much – upon visual inspection for smog certification altered cats can and do result in not passing (it happened to me with a diff car, another story for another time)… Telling the guy/girl oh its okay these are CARB legal isn’t going to address the legality of replacing without ‘cause as defined in the regs… I’m certain some type of documentation that can be verified would be required to pass. Otherwise they will tell you to see a ref (whenever that starts again) or you simply will not pass smog.

I’m not professing to know the answers entirely, but until I do I would never think that any cats other than original OEM are okay/legal

Agreed %100.

I see what you're saying. I'm not saying it is legal to change the cats when you want, I was just trying to address how could it be enforced. Your real situation explains what could possibly happen.

I guess a call to a muffler shop would answer the questions. I'd like to know if and how they record a cat change.

I'd also like to know....how do cats go bad?

they normally dont, which is why it would raise a red flag...

hmmm... keep us updated

I can't find where they state all this in the CA law right now, but they basically say:

Good find, it says they do have to document it. Now I want to find out how is it documented. And I didn't know OE cats had a 80k warranty.

To the OP, this is still great info. I just wanted to give people a heads up before they install CARB legal high flow cats thinking they're alright because the part has an EO number.

I think my cats are close to giving out on me anyways...

I've heard the latest rage is stealing cats for the precious metals content.

EDIT: Hey ... I made my 2,000 post.

BTW, please post up an EO# when they finally get one so the rest of us can look up the years and models it's legal for. So far, Magnaflow aka Car Sound Exhaust System does not have a CA legal catalytic system for the G.

http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermk...rmktdevice.php

yep there was a thread about it a few months back... (stolen cats, not your 2K post )

[QUOTE=dofu]BTW, please post up an EO# when they finally get one so the rest of us can look up the years and models it's legal for. So far, Magnaflow aka Car Sound Exhaust System does not have a CA legal catalytic.

If you had read my original thread I posted that they are NOT available for sale but ARE being manufactured....no you can't find them on the Magnaflows
web site because they are NOT available yet! Why does it have to be so difficult to get the word out that something we need and can use is being
made available to our members. By the way if you want to replace your OEM
cats prior to the mileage/time law it's no big deal, no one special needs to
sign them off. Excuse: your OEM cat were plugged due to below the border
gas and they ceased working, needed replacement! Is this going to help the
doubters, probably not!
Gary

Gary, I’m not slamming your information… not being a “doubter”… please don’t take my experience and information the wrong way – it’s not to discredit anything you are relaying.

I had an East cost built 76 280Z (not in 76, a few yrs back) – in the 70’s east coast cars didn’t have catalectic converters from the factory… it passed smog in CA all the way to late 90’s early 2000’s… by that time emissions standards got so stringent that it would no longer pass without cats – and CA had no exclusions for that year (they went away from the 20 yr rule and used year specific) – I had to have cat welded in. It passed the emissions test that year. 2 years later it wouldn’t pass visual because a non OEM cat was installed. I tried to explain to the dork that it was to be in compliance, not a performance adder – I told him the car never had any cats and that this was to lower emissions, not cause more. Anyway – I had to jump through hoops to get the car passed at a different test facility.

So my only point is (at least in CA) you run the chance of the same snafu. All the explanations in the world don’t convince some of these yahoo smog techs. You cant just tell them “my OEM cats got clogged” – hell I couldn’t even tell them my car was never manufactured with cats.

In CA the Clean Air Act is getting really stringent. It’s great that the product got CARB approval – and no one is poo-pooing that. It’s the details in the regulations that I’m concerned about. If I couldn’t make a car become compliant with emissions standards by adding a cat to a car that wasn’t built with one, I’m sure I’d have problems adding a cat to a car that already had one. These techs have the fear of god instilled in them that if they pass a car that shows signs of changed catalectic converters they will be heavily fined and have their license revoked. Of course there are ways around this – but those options wouldn’t require CARB certified cats anyway.

Gary, you’re one of the good ones out here – I’m not slamming you or your son’s info brother.