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Pardon me?
You had to throw it in, but you don't know anything first hand? So you're just trying to smear my good reputation based on slanderous hearsay from a competitor? Locash (an AZ tuner) started that rumor several years ago and I called him on it when I ran into him at SEMA - at which point he backed down from it pretty fast. So if the guy that started it won't stand up, then you probably don't want to either.
Our results speak for themselves far beyond the dyno numbers. Race wins, Time Attack victories, national championships and land speed records.
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Our results speak for themselves far beyond the dyno numbers. Race wins, Time Attack victories, national championships and land speed records.
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Originally Posted by Churchautotest
You had to throw it in, but you don't know anything first hand? So you're just trying to smear my good reputation based on slanderous hearsay from a competitor? Locash (an AZ tuner) started that rumor several years ago and I called him on it when I ran into him at SEMA - at which point he backed down from it pretty fast. So if the guy that started it won't stand up, then you probably don't want to either.
Our results speak for themselves far beyond the dyno numbers. Race wins, Time Attack victories, national championships and land speed records.
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Our results speak for themselves far beyond the dyno numbers. Race wins, Time Attack victories, national championships and land speed records.
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I'll take that last part off my post.
I have never had my car done at your shop but have seen a few cars who live out there, had work done at shops here in AZ, and make huge jumps in power (ex~490 to ~560) with no additional tuning just between dynos. That is not "hearsay from a competitor". I don't know the person you are talking about.
The hearsay I have heard on multiple forums from a number of people is if you want unusually high dyno results go to your shop.
I think it is fair give my opinion that I would like to see results from another shop's dyno before I belive those kind of jumps. If he does, I'll make sure and delete these posts and/or be the first to say I'm wrong.
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Tim (ttrank) is a good guy – I’ve met him personally and he has good advise… unfortunately I think he got caught up in the “rumor” of Church dyno being skewed – there have been other (one in particular) less than first hand knowledge G35Driver member spreading the bad rep (misinformation) too…
I have been to Shawn’s shop many times… Shawn Church is an outstanding tuner and extremely knowledgeable guy! A good person as well…
So I guess I’m saying I think Tim meant no intentional harm – and that Shawn’s work speaks for itself – I’m very pleased with the results of his tuning on my car (and no, not from dyno results – from the cars true performance) this is coming from driving with TechnoSquare flash for over 2 years.
Church Automotive Testing is completely legit and result oriented! I highly recommend!
I have been to Shawn’s shop many times… Shawn Church is an outstanding tuner and extremely knowledgeable guy! A good person as well…
So I guess I’m saying I think Tim meant no intentional harm – and that Shawn’s work speaks for itself – I’m very pleased with the results of his tuning on my car (and no, not from dyno results – from the cars true performance) this is coming from driving with TechnoSquare flash for over 2 years.
Church Automotive Testing is completely legit and result oriented! I highly recommend!
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Originally Posted by OCG35
So I guess I’m saying I think Tim meant no intentional harm – and that Shawn’s work speaks for itself – I’m very pleased with the results of his tuning on my car (and no, not from dyno results – from the cars true performance) this is coming from driving with TechnoSquare flash for over 2 years.
Church Automotive Testing is completely legit and result oriented! I highly recommend!
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Originally Posted by ttrank
Wow if that is for real with no dyno massaging between before/after I'm very impressed!
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Exactly skaterbasist.
We start with a run as delivered, then we tune the car until we're finished. The car never leaves the dyno and nothing is massaged except the tune. To imply otherwise is simply ridiculous.
ttrank, your post did not say "well, Church's dyno reads higher" which I would have accepted, because ours does read higher than your typical dyno. Your post talked about dyno "massaging" between the before and after runs. That's what ticked me off because it implies impropriety. I don't expect you to remove your post - you said it, and now we deal with it openly and honestly.
We've had our original Dynapack now for almost 7 years. Far longer than just about any other tuner in the country. Its calibration today reads just like it did back then. I know Dynapack has changed calibrations over the years as they've released dyno updates (I've seen them vary by up to 12% - but they are internally consistent). First they went way down, and now on the late 2006+ units, they are back up partially and strangely close to Dynojet results. I can understand why Dynapack would do this (after hearing complaints about how their dynos read higher from the masses), but unfortunately this is giving in to the uninformed - because their dynos should read higher than a roller - physics dictate that.
Thank you for your concern ttrank and discussing things.
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We start with a run as delivered, then we tune the car until we're finished. The car never leaves the dyno and nothing is massaged except the tune. To imply otherwise is simply ridiculous.
ttrank, your post did not say "well, Church's dyno reads higher" which I would have accepted, because ours does read higher than your typical dyno. Your post talked about dyno "massaging" between the before and after runs. That's what ticked me off because it implies impropriety. I don't expect you to remove your post - you said it, and now we deal with it openly and honestly.
We've had our original Dynapack now for almost 7 years. Far longer than just about any other tuner in the country. Its calibration today reads just like it did back then. I know Dynapack has changed calibrations over the years as they've released dyno updates (I've seen them vary by up to 12% - but they are internally consistent). First they went way down, and now on the late 2006+ units, they are back up partially and strangely close to Dynojet results. I can understand why Dynapack would do this (after hearing complaints about how their dynos read higher from the masses), but unfortunately this is giving in to the uninformed - because their dynos should read higher than a roller - physics dictate that.
Thank you for your concern ttrank and discussing things.
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That's true, I did imply "massaging" which is more what I would expect in order to see these kind of gains from a N/A tune. My first post was rude and I took the second part off to try and tone it down a bit. Please understand, I'm not directly accusing you of any alterations between the runs. I was just shocked at that kind of a gain and . I have never seen more than ~10hp from a N/A tune so I jumped the gun and said that. It was not the best way to say what I was thinking and I apologize.
Those are impressive results for sure. I think you will be doing a lot of these!
Those are impressive results for sure. I think you will be doing a lot of these!