doesnt matter. anything u sell, new or used, u woulda atleast inspected it before selling if ur not trying to be scum.

 

it does matter acutally...

 

This is off of Dustins personal car, it is not STRAFE.. The cracks are barely visible from the back, but this does still mean they go all the way through. The problem with strafe is that they refunded me 195$ for greddy sides shipped. That is it. The bumper has nothing to do with strafe. And what should be a good deal for fiberglass patching then?

 

Personally if i sold a front that i THOUGHT was in perfect condition and thought all that needed to be done was a respray. I would obviously sell it as that. If later to find out there is damage that i couldn't see, i personally feel that I would be responsible for helping to get that fixed(because after all if i KNEW about that damage i would have told the buyer who in turn may NOT have purchased it), although a messed up situation i feel that is the most right thing to do.

There was another thread about a similar incident not long ago about i believe some test pipes that the weld were cracked and the buyer didn't see them. Again it is the buyers responsibility to try and know all known facts about the item you are trying to sell, including cracks.

 

And if the bumper was inspected then these cracks would have been seen, to clarify. They are small but they are all the way through

 

it doesnt matter. personal sale or vendor sale. its still a sale and as buyer of used or new good we should be informed of condition. if u sell something and omit certain conditions regarding it then ur jus being a dick.

 

And that is exactly how I feel ShanesG. I cannot blame him for not noticing the cracks really, but I can blame him for doing nothing to try to make things right

 

you got refunded for the greddy sides which were included in the package with the front bumper to save you on shipping. you were refunded for the greddy sides which werent in the package. but you are still responsible for paying the shipping on the front bumper.

 

I know I am responsible for the shipping on the front bumper. However all that you guys payed for was the shipping on that front bumper, because you never took the sides to the warehouse. What you have been saying the whole time is that the side skirts are completely seperate from the bumper, also you were going to have to ship the side skirts to utah seperately. Therefore I should be payed back for the shipping that I payed for, or at least the difference between shipping the front and shipping both the front and the sides.

 

make's sense

 

this seems way overblown based on the pix that have been posted

 

Those cracks don't seem to be bad at all. I don't see how you would classify those as "structural" cracks. Regardless, it does seem that the fiberglass bumper is cracked in those images.

However, I will go on and say that the cracks around the sidemarkers are probably just from normal use. Probably popping them off and on again, replacing lights and stuff like that. ITS NORMAL, IT HAPPENS ON FIBERGLASS. My old AIT front bumper had those since I kept taking my side markers on and off all the time.

Its the same with mounting points or where the bumper is "bent" or "curved." Normal day wear and tear with a fiberglass bumper. Again, I had my fiberglass AIT bumper for about a month and there were wear and tear cracks all over that thing when I finally decided to take it off.

I'm sorry that you've had a bad experience with Dustin. I've PM'ed Dustin many many times about getting parts and stuff that I need and he is always there to lend a helping hand. Same with Lawrence as well, me and him have discussed via PM things that they could help me out with my car. The two of them have been very reasonable.

And after reading Dustin's post that contained your text messages... I don't see where Dustin got hostile at all. He did state many times that the bumper is NOT an official Strafe product. Its like if you were to buy a used bumper off of someone else on the forum, or hell, any kind of used product being sold by another member here... be it some wheel spacers, a set of wheels, or whatever. If it was slightly damaged before you received it, would you demand they give you a refund?

 

I agree those cracks seem very minor and don't think that is anywhere near $200 worth of repairs. I say try and get a more definite answer on the repairs and try and figure something out behind closed doors

 

I agree, slightly damaged is different than having to do fiberglass work however. These cracks look like hairline fractures in the back, and the body shop said that if there are all the way through, which they are, and I took any kind of slight impact to the bumper, the paint in the front would rip open and show the cracks.

 

no, actually the warehouse never put the sides in the box. Which is the mistake claims we are sorry for.

As our company Strafe felt responsible for the product that wasn't in your package but that you were not charged for shipping. We felt bad about your situation and out of STRAFES POCKET we were going to pay STRAFES OWN MONEY not yours, Take zero profit, and we were going to ship your product to utah and find you a shop in Utah. Hence long distance calling, again strafes money. Broker a good deal for your paint and prep work in utah. therefore you owed no money for a product that never made it in the box that wasn't charged shipping for. You paid for my front bumper then also wanted greddy sides, the deal was to throw the sides in the same box to have the same shipping costs. but as you and i know that didn't happen and we are sorry for that. so why should you again be refunded money for shipping on the sides when it was already paid for in the package for the front? so we refunded you the $ for the product that the warehouse didn't put in the package.

im done discussing this issue on the public forum.. ive said what ive had to say and posted pictures and parts of our conversation via text messages.