Eibach or Hotchkis sway bars?
Eibach or Hotchkis sway bars?
Please help me decide which bars to get!
And don't say cusco! I'm a poor college student... haha, unless you want to buy them for me, I promise to really like you.
I'm swaying towards Hotchkis because the bars are slightly bigger in diameter both F+R, and are hollow, and are 3 way adjustable in the front, as opposed to two-way (I think) for the eibachs.
Although eibach is a bigger company then hotchkis, hotchkis seems like they put more time developing parts for sport compacts, whereas eibach has a very broad spectrum of parts for all makes of cars.
However, everyone on this board seems to like the eibachs... anyone have anymore info or opinions for me? Thanks! -Phil
*** 2003 G35s 5a/t / Pearl White ***
18" Giovanna Corsica / Dunlop FM901 235ZR / Tein High Tech Springs / Blitz SUS Intake / Infinity 6.5" Comps / Infinity 6.5" Coaxs / Alpine Type-R 12" X 2
And don't say cusco! I'm a poor college student... haha, unless you want to buy them for me, I promise to really like you.
I'm swaying towards Hotchkis because the bars are slightly bigger in diameter both F+R, and are hollow, and are 3 way adjustable in the front, as opposed to two-way (I think) for the eibachs.
Although eibach is a bigger company then hotchkis, hotchkis seems like they put more time developing parts for sport compacts, whereas eibach has a very broad spectrum of parts for all makes of cars.
However, everyone on this board seems to like the eibachs... anyone have anymore info or opinions for me? Thanks! -Phil
*** 2003 G35s 5a/t / Pearl White ***
18" Giovanna Corsica / Dunlop FM901 235ZR / Tein High Tech Springs / Blitz SUS Intake / Infinity 6.5" Comps / Infinity 6.5" Coaxs / Alpine Type-R 12" X 2
Re: Eibach or Hotchkis sway bars?
I just got the Eibach's yesterday. $305. shipped from fprim sponsor http://gruppe-s.com/
Frank
CM Motorsports
Irvine, Ca 949 453 1199
2003 G35 5AT Sedan
K&N Typhoon
GReddy Evo Cat back
Tein Flex coilovers
Tein EDFC
Brembo
Nismo LSD
GReddy Twin Turbo's (soon)
Frank
CM Motorsports
Irvine, Ca 949 453 1199
2003 G35 5AT Sedan
K&N Typhoon
GReddy Evo Cat back
Tein Flex coilovers
Tein EDFC
Brembo
Nismo LSD
GReddy Twin Turbo's (soon)
Re: Eibach or Hotchkis sway bars?
I just got the Eibach's yesterday. $305. shipped from forum sponsor http://gruppe-s.com/
Frank
CM Motorsports
Irvine, Ca 949 453 1199
2003 G35 5AT Sedan
K&N Typhoon
GReddy Evo Cat back
Tein Flex coilovers
Tein EDFC
Brembo
Nismo LSD
GReddy Twin Turbo's (soon)
Frank
CM Motorsports
Irvine, Ca 949 453 1199
2003 G35 5AT Sedan
K&N Typhoon
GReddy Evo Cat back
Tein Flex coilovers
Tein EDFC
Brembo
Nismo LSD
GReddy Twin Turbo's (soon)
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Re: Eibach or Hotchkis sway bars?
I have one of the first sets of Eibachs that were made. With 245's on all 4 corners on my car, I have the front bar set soft and the rear bar set medium. The car is perfectly neutral. I never noticed much body roll stock, but I don't notice any at all now. These are great bars. They are hollow for light weight, 2 position adjustable front, 3 position adjustable rear and very well finished with a very nice red powder finish. They already have the locating collars on them and I've never heard a single squeek from the bushings. Sicn ethe coups normally push (understeer) while the sedans normally oversteer, you should try setting yours a little different from mine. It really depends if you han an LSD or not. If you have a sport or the cold weather package, you will have the LSD. With LSD I would say to start hard in the front and medium in the rear. Without LSD, start hard in the front and soft in the rear.
04' G35 Coupe(finally in the garage)
6-sp Diamond Graphite/Willow w/Premium
04' G35 Coupe(finally in the garage)
6-sp Diamond Graphite/Willow w/Premium
Re: Eibach or Hotchkis sway bars?
Red flag, your setup. Specifically the lowering springs.
Tein H. Tech springs (confirmed to be final rates, not initial)
front 324lbs rear 263lbs
Softer than stock rear rates are understeering enhancing. I'd go with the Eibach bars so that you can tune the bar stiffness to suit your cars behavior as you've modded it.
Sedans with sport vs non sport have totally different at the limit behavior. Sports understeer at the limit only oversteering with changes in pedal input, brake or throttle. Non sports are where the oversteering behavior is exemplified, the rear will come out first and continue to come out until momentum can be canceled via scrubbing off speed.
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Dang straight, it's all about the glory of helping. Who have you helped today?
Tein H. Tech springs (confirmed to be final rates, not initial)
front 324lbs rear 263lbs
Softer than stock rear rates are understeering enhancing. I'd go with the Eibach bars so that you can tune the bar stiffness to suit your cars behavior as you've modded it.
Sedans with sport vs non sport have totally different at the limit behavior. Sports understeer at the limit only oversteering with changes in pedal input, brake or throttle. Non sports are where the oversteering behavior is exemplified, the rear will come out first and continue to come out until momentum can be canceled via scrubbing off speed.
"i, for one, am not a fan of glory hounds."
Dang straight, it's all about the glory of helping. Who have you helped today?
Re: Eibach or Hotchkis sway bars?
kinda off topic but out of all the sway bars out: nismo, cusco, hotchkis, eibach, and the 350 evo which ones do u think are th ebest.. ignoring price.. im leaning toward the cuscos or the 350evo ones..
2003.5 II G35 II Coupe II 6MT II BS II Prem. II
2003.5 II G35 II Coupe II 6MT II BS II Prem. II
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Re: Eibach or Hotchkis sway bars?
It all depends on what you are trying to do with them. Everyone associates sway bars with body roll. The goal of sway bars is not to eliminate body roll; it is turn-in, balance and corner stability. Body roll is not a bad thing, excess body roll is. This question you are asking is extremely subjective depending on who you ask. Some people like a safe and stable car that is set to comfortably understeer at the limit. Some people like the back end to be lively and loose with oversteer, while others like to control both ends of the car independently. You need to know your driving style before you start choosing and tuning.
I needed a set of sway bars to set my car perfectly neutral. I have been autocrossing for several years and I know how to control my cars. I went as far as having Sanar Performance custom make a front sway bar for my stock class Miata because I could not find the right one for the balance I wanted. The stock 22mm bar make the car too loose. An aftermarket 1" bar made it too tight. I had a custom adjustable 24mm bar made to tune it exactly. With the Mustang SVO I know run, I actually run a much smaller 4-cyl 15/16" mustang front bar. With the stock 1 1/8" SVO front bar, the car would never turn-in right. I know how fast I want the turn-in and how i want the car to behave if I gas or brake mid-corner. In autocrossing have the biggest bar isn't the best thing. Too stiff of a front bar, doesn't allow enough weight transfer side-to-side and kills turn-in. Too big of a rear bar makes the back end uncontrollable beyond the limit.
I have no plans to change springs on my coupe. I like the ride/handling balance of the car. I even like the ride height. I just wanted to get rid of the front end push and get it neutral at the limit. I first swapped the front tires from 225/45's to 245/40's for more bite. Why you would put smaller tires on a car that is front end heavy makes no sense to me. This helped substantually in reducing push. From here I needed to concentrate on the rear. The front was pretty well planted. In fact, in skipadding the car with only 35 psi in the front tires; the temperatures across the tread are extremely even. This shows the stock camber and roll rates are pretty close to optimal. In the rear, the inner side of the tires are hotter showing there is a little too much negative camber. Despite this, the rear actually needs less grip(i.e. a bigger rear bar) to get the car neutral. I targeted a set of bars where the front bar wasn't much bigger than stock, but the rear was. This is why I chose the Eibachs and they did exactly what I wanted them to do. Does that mean they are the best? No. If I didn't get the balance I wanted, I would have gone to a different set and chose them based on bar diameters. It does mean that for my car there can't be a set that is better though. If I bought a set of EVO or Cusco bars and put them on the car and got the same neutral balance, then they would be just as good. If I couldn't get the same balance, then they are obviously worse. If you don't have the same driving style I do, same car setup and have the same goals; then my setup may not be what you are looking for. But, hopefully this will give you a place to start.
04' G35 Coupe(finally in the garage)
6-sp Diamond Graphite/Willow w/Premium
I needed a set of sway bars to set my car perfectly neutral. I have been autocrossing for several years and I know how to control my cars. I went as far as having Sanar Performance custom make a front sway bar for my stock class Miata because I could not find the right one for the balance I wanted. The stock 22mm bar make the car too loose. An aftermarket 1" bar made it too tight. I had a custom adjustable 24mm bar made to tune it exactly. With the Mustang SVO I know run, I actually run a much smaller 4-cyl 15/16" mustang front bar. With the stock 1 1/8" SVO front bar, the car would never turn-in right. I know how fast I want the turn-in and how i want the car to behave if I gas or brake mid-corner. In autocrossing have the biggest bar isn't the best thing. Too stiff of a front bar, doesn't allow enough weight transfer side-to-side and kills turn-in. Too big of a rear bar makes the back end uncontrollable beyond the limit.
I have no plans to change springs on my coupe. I like the ride/handling balance of the car. I even like the ride height. I just wanted to get rid of the front end push and get it neutral at the limit. I first swapped the front tires from 225/45's to 245/40's for more bite. Why you would put smaller tires on a car that is front end heavy makes no sense to me. This helped substantually in reducing push. From here I needed to concentrate on the rear. The front was pretty well planted. In fact, in skipadding the car with only 35 psi in the front tires; the temperatures across the tread are extremely even. This shows the stock camber and roll rates are pretty close to optimal. In the rear, the inner side of the tires are hotter showing there is a little too much negative camber. Despite this, the rear actually needs less grip(i.e. a bigger rear bar) to get the car neutral. I targeted a set of bars where the front bar wasn't much bigger than stock, but the rear was. This is why I chose the Eibachs and they did exactly what I wanted them to do. Does that mean they are the best? No. If I didn't get the balance I wanted, I would have gone to a different set and chose them based on bar diameters. It does mean that for my car there can't be a set that is better though. If I bought a set of EVO or Cusco bars and put them on the car and got the same neutral balance, then they would be just as good. If I couldn't get the same balance, then they are obviously worse. If you don't have the same driving style I do, same car setup and have the same goals; then my setup may not be what you are looking for. But, hopefully this will give you a place to start.
04' G35 Coupe(finally in the garage)
6-sp Diamond Graphite/Willow w/Premium
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