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Old 07-18-2008, 11:06 PM
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I think tires choices depend greatly on what you are looking to get out of them.
              If you are driving in snow buy another set or snow or A/S tire for winter, or get good "all seasons" and risk salt damage to your summer wheels. If you are driving Auto Cross, buy another set of wheels for racing. If you care about a quite ride consider that in your purchase. There is brand bigotry in every hobby or sport. If you are a snob and think you'll be judged by your choice in tires, well you've got other problems. Find what works for you. More money does not always = a better product. It does many times but not always when it comes to tires. Find what fits your needs. I've had Goodyear, Michelin, Dunlop, Yokahama, Bridgestone, Pirelli, Nexen and many others. For daily driving it's hard to find a reason to spent over $1500 for a set of tires. If you race that's up to you, most on this site don't. I just bought a set of Yokahama S Drives. They are reasonably priced and ranked #1 above all of the other tires in it's class (Ultra High Perf Summer) according to tire rack, and I only spend $850 installed. There are too many choices, figure out what you need and buy accordingly.
               
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              Old 07-19-2008, 01:12 PM
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              For most people the most important parameter is wet panic braking distance from say 50 mph. Tire rack test tires in wet at 50 mph. Compare the PS2 to Kumho and you will see 20+ feet difference.

              If you ever rear end someone you might wish you had paid for a better tire.

              Durability beyond 20,000 miles or 2 years is something Michelin is fanatical about.
               
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              Old 07-19-2008, 10:37 PM
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              Originally Posted by Q45tech
              For most people the most important parameter is wet panic braking distance from say 50 mph. Tire rack test tires in wet at 50 mph. Compare the PS2 to Kumho and you will see 20+ feet difference.

              If you ever rear end someone you might wish you had paid for a better tire.

              Durability beyond 20,000 miles or 2 years is something Michelin is fanatical about.
              But keep in mind the car in front of you must have PS2 and you must have Kuhmo for that to matter. Just don't tail gate and that will never matter. Use 2 second rule and you never rear end someone. ...And I doubt that's what most people buy tires based on. .
               
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              Old 07-19-2008, 10:59 PM
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              My dealer (Crest Infiniti) was very generous.....I purchased used with 21k miles and they wrapped the wheels with brand new Michelin Pilot PS2's....so far so good!!
               
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              Old 07-20-2008, 12:40 PM
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              You get what you pay for. PS2s are the premier street tire.
               
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              Old 07-20-2008, 01:47 PM
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              OEM bridgstones... everyone complains about em, then they complain that they lost grip when they switch to something cheaper.

              PS2s..... awesome tire, not-so-awesome price.
               
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              Old 07-20-2008, 02:27 PM
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              Originally Posted by Mike@RiversideInfiniti
              OEM bridgstones... everyone complains about em, then they complain that they lost grip when they switch to something cheaper.

              PS2s..... awesome tire, not-so-awesome price.
              I love the PS2s that I have except the price tag and quiet low tire life.. However, what I liked about them is the relatively low tire noise and very good turn-in and predictability at the limits.

              Hope this helps
               
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              Old 07-20-2008, 02:29 PM
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              Yea, $430 each for the rears.... yea right. I can buy 3 Kumhos for one of the PS2's.... if the Kumhos have half the life of those PS2s, I'll be money ahead.
               
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              Old 07-20-2008, 02:34 PM
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              Honda Accord
              Falken FK452... not bad for what it is....
               
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              Old 07-20-2008, 04:26 PM
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              I picked up the ps2's because I could not find one bad review in my research! Since day 1 of owning them (July 25 2007), never had issues. Grip is mean everywhere - in rain its great as well.

              It's pricey but that's the price you pay for quality.
               
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              Old 07-24-2008, 01:40 AM
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              Almost there... Leaning to the Kumho's

              I appreciate all the responses... Thanks... It's all been very helpful... Plus I keep reading reviews and so forth.. I'm leaning heavily toward the Kumho's... It's interesting to note that if you read 98 great reviews on a tire, you'll still find those two others that absolutely refute all the positives the other folks talked about... I've sort of decided over the years that when reading reviews you sort of have to toss out the best and the worst and then sort of read what remains... Overall, I've heard basically good reviews on the Kumho tires and it also appears Kumho is a reputable tire manufacturer, one poster said in the top 10 in the world... It also appears that the Kumho's might even last longer than the Michelins, or at least as long... If the Treadwear number means anything, that should be the case... Lastly, handling is not my number one priority. Nor is price... But I do have limits and the Michelins are just outrageous in my opinion...

              I likely would have already bought the Kumho's but Tire Rack only has my rear tires, not the fronts, and they can't say when they are going to get the fronts... Tires-easy has the fronts... I've heard a lot of opinions about Tire Rack but none about Tires-easy... Anyone have any experience with Tires-easy?? Good??? Bad???

              And what does anyone have to say about buying the rears now (the fronts could still go easily another 5k miles) and running new Kumho's on the rear and original Bridgestones on the front for a while?? Then changing the fronts to Kumho's when I can get them from Tire Rack or in a few thousand miles????

              Again, thanks for all the feedback to my original post... bob...
               
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              Old 07-25-2008, 08:45 PM
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              My stock Michelin PS tires had ripped sidewalls after some spirited driving. I suspect the sidewalls were too stiff for the contact patch to handle.
               
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              Old 07-25-2008, 09:05 PM
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              Originally Posted by j-velocity
              How about some not-so-expensive Toyo T1Rs?
              I love mine.
              +1, They hold the road well enough for me.
              I don't think i would put them in the cheap category though. I bought mine for tires4less.com, The local place wanted $400 a piece for them.
               
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