Bel vs Escort vs Valentine 1
MechEE please post your documents that state the X50 is better. I see a ton that the V1 is better. Why do you think the V1 is so damn popular? I know many owners who even had the X50 and got the V1 instead and sold the X50 at a loss!
You guys are attacking a guy that has facts backing his statements because you guys think your opinion the X50 is better when in tests it isn't.
I have no false alarms... lol The older V1 did have false alarms, the last two revisions do not.
The X50 can't be upgraded. They say you can, but like Radar King said, once you try, you can't! Give it a try see what happens.
Sounds are perfect. I can definitely tell the difference between X-K-KA especially. Laser is obvious.
Too bad for you. You got one that will never be worth anything. My opinion compared to my friends X50 the V1 is just better made. He even thinks so as well. That is why I am usually the lead car, the v1 picks up the cops earlier.
You guys are attacking a guy that has facts backing his statements because you guys think your opinion the X50 is better when in tests it isn't.
I have no false alarms... lol The older V1 did have false alarms, the last two revisions do not.
The X50 can't be upgraded. They say you can, but like Radar King said, once you try, you can't! Give it a try see what happens.
Sounds are perfect. I can definitely tell the difference between X-K-KA especially. Laser is obvious.
Too bad for you. You got one that will never be worth anything. My opinion compared to my friends X50 the V1 is just better made. He even thinks so as well. That is why I am usually the lead car, the v1 picks up the cops earlier.
Originally Posted by MechEE
What are you doing here? Do you even drive a G35? I see you on forums all over the internet, and the only threads you participate in are related to the V1, and you simply post articles and standard fanboy materials for it. You clearly are an employee of V1 or have some vested interest in their success. Obviously you'd deny such accusations, so no surprise there.
You pay for that sensitivity with increased false alarming that made me stop paying attention to it.
The X50 is firmware upgradeable. Check the prices for an equivalent 8500 to 8500 X50 hardware upgrade for the V1 and you'll find that it approaches the cost of a new X50.
The V1 is wider and taller than the X50, and not much shorter. The X50 looks much smaller to me hanging in my window than the V1.
The V1 display is archaic. The lettering indicating the band does not light up at night, and you're left with just red dots on the display. I found the sound distinction to be poor, the sounds on the X50 were much better. The V1 can't display multiple threat signal strengths.
About the only thing going for the V1 in my opinion is the arrow indicators, which I didn't find that useful since I'm going to slow down with Ka threats no matter what.
In real world tests in my car driving around with both detectors, performance was virtually equal for detection range. I found the X50's combination of size, customizability, display quality, sound, price, firmware upgradability, and rare false alarms to be the deciding factors for which detector I kept in the end. I won't consider the V1 again until they update the aging display and increase the false alarm intelligence.
You pay for that sensitivity with increased false alarming that made me stop paying attention to it.
The X50 is firmware upgradeable. Check the prices for an equivalent 8500 to 8500 X50 hardware upgrade for the V1 and you'll find that it approaches the cost of a new X50.
The V1 is wider and taller than the X50, and not much shorter. The X50 looks much smaller to me hanging in my window than the V1.
The V1 display is archaic. The lettering indicating the band does not light up at night, and you're left with just red dots on the display. I found the sound distinction to be poor, the sounds on the X50 were much better. The V1 can't display multiple threat signal strengths.
About the only thing going for the V1 in my opinion is the arrow indicators, which I didn't find that useful since I'm going to slow down with Ka threats no matter what.
In real world tests in my car driving around with both detectors, performance was virtually equal for detection range. I found the X50's combination of size, customizability, display quality, sound, price, firmware upgradability, and rare false alarms to be the deciding factors for which detector I kept in the end. I won't consider the V1 again until they update the aging display and increase the false alarm intelligence.
Sad....tests prove the V1 is better. Your opinion means nothing here. I did a lot of research and bought the best one. And I have been happy since.
Originally Posted by geioushi
Exactly my thoughts...I used all three (Bel, Escort, and V1), and the V1 was the most annoying because of the hard to read display and hard to distinguish audible alerts.
Plus, if you're comparing them based on which one has better range when it comes to radar, it doesn't matter if the V1 gets a 100 or so extra feet...the others still pick it up from a far enough distance. Plus the cops in my area never leave their radar guns on...they wait until they can see you and then instant on, so any one of them will go off...range is not an issue.
It just seems that all the V1 owners think theirs is the greatest detector ever made, while all the escort owners have tried both and say they like the escort more, but the V1 is still an ok detector. I don't know what it is about V1 owners being so ****...maybe they feel bad for spending all the extra money when they could've spent a lot less and got the same performance.
And for the comment regarding the V1 coming with the hard-wired kit, and the escort having to buy it...the escort still comes out way cheaper...the cord is only $10...that was a really bad argument and further proves the escort is a better deal.
I was trying to be nice before to the V1 owners, but the constant attempts to try and prove their detectors are soooooo superior got on my nerves...I bet most of them have never even tried the escort or bel. It seems like they try so hard and do all this research and find all these articles to prove the superiority of the V1...no matter how many sources you bring, all that matters is personal results...when I compared the two with my own unbiased testing, the escort came up on top. And not just because of the really cool blue lights
Plus, if you're comparing them based on which one has better range when it comes to radar, it doesn't matter if the V1 gets a 100 or so extra feet...the others still pick it up from a far enough distance. Plus the cops in my area never leave their radar guns on...they wait until they can see you and then instant on, so any one of them will go off...range is not an issue.
It just seems that all the V1 owners think theirs is the greatest detector ever made, while all the escort owners have tried both and say they like the escort more, but the V1 is still an ok detector. I don't know what it is about V1 owners being so ****...maybe they feel bad for spending all the extra money when they could've spent a lot less and got the same performance.
And for the comment regarding the V1 coming with the hard-wired kit, and the escort having to buy it...the escort still comes out way cheaper...the cord is only $10...that was a really bad argument and further proves the escort is a better deal.
I was trying to be nice before to the V1 owners, but the constant attempts to try and prove their detectors are soooooo superior got on my nerves...I bet most of them have never even tried the escort or bel. It seems like they try so hard and do all this research and find all these articles to prove the superiority of the V1...no matter how many sources you bring, all that matters is personal results...when I compared the two with my own unbiased testing, the escort came up on top. And not just because of the really cool blue lights

Originally Posted by amthar
Tests also showed the space shuttle Challenger fit to fly. Test can be skewed any direction one pleases, as I proved to you in the previous thread. Same results compiled differently (and still accurately) = x50 better. 99% of the people on these boards don't buy based on tests, they buy based on their own knowledge/experiences and others knowledge/experiences/recommendations who post on here. Just look at the propogation of DLS equipment through the board's audiojunkies. And X50 pwns you (sorry had to
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Do a poll on here and see.
Originally Posted by G35_TX
Sad....tests prove the V1 is better. Your opinion means nothing here. I did a lot of research and bought the best one. And I have been happy since.
I am going to lodge a formal complaint about your attitude on here, because this has just become ridiculous. You have continually ruined each and every radar detector discussion with comments like this, and I refuse to 1.) play these games any longer with you 2.) sit back idley and allow threads to be consistantly ruined by anyone. I'm sorry you feel that you have to defend your purchase of your V1 so religiously. I'm sorry you reduce to attacking people. I might be off base here, but that's why there are moderators... we'll let them decide. If they have problems with me I'll take it in stride and go from there as well.
As for this thread, I'd love to see it conitnue sans personal attacks. It's a GOD DAM* RADAR DETECTOR FOR CHRIST SAKE... Just keep that in mind.
Geesh...
I never attacked anyone in this topic unlike yourself. Facts are facts and you or anything else can't deny that. The V1 has been the best and still is the benchmark for radars. The X50 comes damn close.
It is kinda like BMW is the benchmark for handling but the G35 comes close.
Funny, I actually talk to many outside this forum and they think otherwise about Mech.
Go ahead and complain. Because I have yet to do anything wrong. You have called me names, and attacked me on the other post as well as this post.
Sorry I just hate misinformation being posted and you guys attacked RadarKing for no reason when he had many facts backing his statements up.
It is kinda like BMW is the benchmark for handling but the G35 comes close.
Funny, I actually talk to many outside this forum and they think otherwise about Mech.
Go ahead and complain. Because I have yet to do anything wrong. You have called me names, and attacked me on the other post as well as this post.
Sorry I just hate misinformation being posted and you guys attacked RadarKing for no reason when he had many facts backing his statements up.
Originally Posted by amthar
God dam* would you stop attacking people? I mean geez, for someone who lectures me on attacking people and lectures others on attacking people, you sure enjoy doing it yourself. MechEE never said your opinion didn't count, he never even commented on YOU, yet you say shi* like this. MechEE is a great resource to this board, let alone this forum. His knowledge in electronics (just to name one) is outstanding. I'm sure he's a great guy outside of these boards too, he definately conveys that to me at least. His opinion means more to more people on here then you obviously are aware of.
I am going to lodge a formal complaint about your attitude on here, because this has just become ridiculous. You have continually ruined each and every radar detector discussion with comments like this, and I refuse to 1.) play these games any longer with you 2.) sit back idley and allow threads to be consistantly ruined by anyone. I'm sorry you feel that you have to defend your purchase of your V1 so religiously. I'm sorry you reduce to attacking people. I might be off base here, but that's why there are moderators... we'll let them decide. If they have problems with me I'll take it in stride and go from there as well.
As for this thread, I'd love to see it conitnue sans personal attacks. It's a GOD DAM* RADAR DETECTOR FOR CHRIST SAKE... Just keep that in mind.
Geesh...
I am going to lodge a formal complaint about your attitude on here, because this has just become ridiculous. You have continually ruined each and every radar detector discussion with comments like this, and I refuse to 1.) play these games any longer with you 2.) sit back idley and allow threads to be consistantly ruined by anyone. I'm sorry you feel that you have to defend your purchase of your V1 so religiously. I'm sorry you reduce to attacking people. I might be off base here, but that's why there are moderators... we'll let them decide. If they have problems with me I'll take it in stride and go from there as well.
As for this thread, I'd love to see it conitnue sans personal attacks. It's a GOD DAM* RADAR DETECTOR FOR CHRIST SAKE... Just keep that in mind.
Geesh...
Last edited by G35_TX; Apr 3, 2006 at 09:24 AM.
Originally Posted by amthar
God dam* would you stop attacking people? I mean geez, for someone who lectures me on attacking people and lectures others on attacking people, you sure enjoy doing it yourself. MechEE never said your opinion didn't count, he never even commented on YOU, yet you say shi* like this. MechEE is a great resource to this board, let alone this forum. His knowledge in electronics (just to name one) is outstanding. I'm sure he's a great guy outside of these boards too, he definately conveys that to me at least. His opinion means more to more people on here then you obviously are aware of.
I am going to lodge a formal complaint about your attitude on here, because this has just become ridiculous. You have continually ruined each and every radar detector discussion with comments like this, and I refuse to 1.) play these games any longer with you 2.) sit back idley and allow threads to be consistantly ruined by anyone. I'm sorry you feel that you have to defend your purchase of your V1 so religiously. I'm sorry you reduce to attacking people. I might be off base here, but that's why there are moderators... we'll let them decide. If they have problems with me I'll take it in stride and go from there as well.
As for this thread, I'd love to see it conitnue sans personal attacks. It's a GOD DAM* RADAR DETECTOR FOR CHRIST SAKE... Just keep that in mind.
Geesh...
I am going to lodge a formal complaint about your attitude on here, because this has just become ridiculous. You have continually ruined each and every radar detector discussion with comments like this, and I refuse to 1.) play these games any longer with you 2.) sit back idley and allow threads to be consistantly ruined by anyone. I'm sorry you feel that you have to defend your purchase of your V1 so religiously. I'm sorry you reduce to attacking people. I might be off base here, but that's why there are moderators... we'll let them decide. If they have problems with me I'll take it in stride and go from there as well.
As for this thread, I'd love to see it conitnue sans personal attacks. It's a GOD DAM* RADAR DETECTOR FOR CHRIST SAKE... Just keep that in mind.
Geesh...
G35_TX...again you repeat yourself and completely miss the point. I said from personal testing I like the escort better and returned the V1 I had purchased. Then you reply with "tests prove it to be better"...I don't give a f**k what the test prove, disprove, show, etc etc...I tested out both and that is what I like.
My comments actually have more merit than yours considering I owned both and you didn't. All you have is the test results of people who have biased opinions because they are trying to sell their products. I could care less, and therefore have an unbiased opinion in the matter. The escort is my 3rd detector and from personal experience I like it more. I never said the V1 was bad or that it was less accurate/superior/effective, but I didn't like some of its features. Read my first post in this thread and you'll see.
But you keep coming at us like the V1 is the ultimate detector that can't be beat...only based on biased tests from people who sell them. I never came on here attacking anybody and said that all three (Bel, Escort, and V1) were good and that anyone you pick is a good choice. You're the one that keeps coming at everyone and attacking them.
So don't keep repeating yourself and calling my opinion unwarranted. I have every right to talk about my experience with both products, as much as you have every right to talk about your experience only with the V1. Like I said before, my opinions and experiences are more credible since I have owned both.
I'm glad you did your little research and are happy with your V1...good for you. I did my own research too. And I'm happy with what I got. Now respect me and my opinions and leave me the F**K ALONE!!!
In terms of pure detection, I would think the top detectors would all be extremely close. Some might be better in some instances, some might be better in others. However, for me, the two biggest question to ask when radar(s) is/are detected is:
1) How strong is the radar?
2) Where is it coming from?
Unfortunately, the only detector I found that could answer both questions is the V1. From my using the V1, I can honestly say that once you have the arrows, u will never go back. Hope this helps.
1) How strong is the radar?
2) Where is it coming from?
Unfortunately, the only detector I found that could answer both questions is the V1. From my using the V1, I can honestly say that once you have the arrows, u will never go back. Hope this helps.
Originally Posted by geioushi
Actually, he was refering to my post not MechEE's post.
G35_TX...again you repeat yourself and completely miss the point. I said from personal testing I like the escort better and returned the V1 I had purchased. Then you reply with "tests prove it to be better"...I don't give a f**k what the test prove, disprove, show, etc etc...I tested out both and that is what I like.
My comments actually have more merit than yours considering I owned both and you didn't. All you have is the test results of people who have biased opinions because they are trying to sell their products. I could care less, and therefore have an unbiased opinion in the matter. The escort is my 3rd detector and from personal experience I like it more. I never said the V1 was bad or that it was less accurate/superior/effective, but I didn't like some of its features. Read my first post in this thread and you'll see.
But you keep coming at us like the V1 is the ultimate detector that can't be beat...only based on biased tests from people who sell them. I never came on here attacking anybody and said that all three (Bel, Escort, and V1) were good and that anyone you pick is a good choice. You're the one that keeps coming at everyone and attacking them.
So don't keep repeating yourself and calling my opinion unwarranted. I have every right to talk about my experience with both products, as much as you have every right to talk about your experience only with the V1. Like I said before, my opinions and experiences are more credible since I have owned both.
I'm glad you did your little research and are happy with your V1...good for you. I did my own research too. And I'm happy with what I got. Now respect me and my opinions and leave me the F**K ALONE!!!
G35_TX...again you repeat yourself and completely miss the point. I said from personal testing I like the escort better and returned the V1 I had purchased. Then you reply with "tests prove it to be better"...I don't give a f**k what the test prove, disprove, show, etc etc...I tested out both and that is what I like.
My comments actually have more merit than yours considering I owned both and you didn't. All you have is the test results of people who have biased opinions because they are trying to sell their products. I could care less, and therefore have an unbiased opinion in the matter. The escort is my 3rd detector and from personal experience I like it more. I never said the V1 was bad or that it was less accurate/superior/effective, but I didn't like some of its features. Read my first post in this thread and you'll see.
But you keep coming at us like the V1 is the ultimate detector that can't be beat...only based on biased tests from people who sell them. I never came on here attacking anybody and said that all three (Bel, Escort, and V1) were good and that anyone you pick is a good choice. You're the one that keeps coming at everyone and attacking them.
So don't keep repeating yourself and calling my opinion unwarranted. I have every right to talk about my experience with both products, as much as you have every right to talk about your experience only with the V1. Like I said before, my opinions and experiences are more credible since I have owned both.
I'm glad you did your little research and are happy with your V1...good for you. I did my own research too. And I'm happy with what I got. Now respect me and my opinions and leave me the F**K ALONE!!!

I also owned the 8500 was supposely better per users but it really was not. But the X50 per what I heard didn't get that much better over the 8500.
You know, I have a V1, and I love it, and I do think it is overall the best detector out there.
But fanboy type postings and "V1 is the best!!! EOD!!!" type postings really **** me off. If I wasn't already a V1 owner, those type of posts would probably convince me not to get one. So, unless that is actually your purpose, G35_TX, and RadarKing, maybe it's time to lay off a bit.
Dave
But fanboy type postings and "V1 is the best!!! EOD!!!" type postings really **** me off. If I wasn't already a V1 owner, those type of posts would probably convince me not to get one. So, unless that is actually your purpose, G35_TX, and RadarKing, maybe it's time to lay off a bit.
Dave
Originally Posted by caelric
You know, I have a V1, and I love it, and I do think it is overall the best detector out there.
But fanboy type postings and "V1 is the best!!! EOD!!!" type postings really **** me off. If I wasn't already a V1 owner, those type of posts would probably convince me not to get one. So, unless that is actually your purpose, G35_TX, and RadarKing, maybe it's time to lay off a bit.
Dave
But fanboy type postings and "V1 is the best!!! EOD!!!" type postings really **** me off. If I wasn't already a V1 owner, those type of posts would probably convince me not to get one. So, unless that is actually your purpose, G35_TX, and RadarKing, maybe it's time to lay off a bit.
Dave
Originally Posted by caelric
You know, I have a V1, and I love it, and I do think it is overall the best detector out there.
But fanboy type postings and "V1 is the best!!! EOD!!!" type postings really **** me off. If I wasn't already a V1 owner, those type of posts would probably convince me not to get one. So, unless that is actually your purpose, G35_TX, and RadarKing, maybe it's time to lay off a bit.
Dave
But fanboy type postings and "V1 is the best!!! EOD!!!" type postings really **** me off. If I wasn't already a V1 owner, those type of posts would probably convince me not to get one. So, unless that is actually your purpose, G35_TX, and RadarKing, maybe it's time to lay off a bit.
Dave
G35_TX, you keep saying the facts speak for themselves...the fact is, you never tried the X50...you only heard it wasn't that good...from bias sources. The fact is you have little experience with the different products...all you know about is the V1 and hence are as bias as the sources you keep refering too. I have very little patience dealing with stubborn people who create conflict from nothing.
I never even questioned the performance of the V1, except noted that it was a little too sensitive for me and falsed more than I like. Other than that all of my comments have related to its features. Yet you keep coming with "V1 is the best...V1 is superior...V1 is the greatest thing ever made...etc" You should try reading through my comments clearly before making any more claims and assumptions.
I'm glad there are some people here with common sense to understand where I'm coming from, whether they have a V1, escort or anything else.
Originally Posted by G35_TX
Please tell the X50 fan boys to lay off saying there detector is the best. That is what started this mess. Like I said in my other posts. Facts are facts and opinion is a opinion. Don't get them mixed up.
Originally Posted by geioushi
Again, read my posts clearly...I prefer the X50, I did not claim it was the best...my hands are getting tired from typing the same thing over and over...I'm going to start cutting and pasting my comments like RadarKing does

Originally Posted by G35_TX
You don't slow down when you have a back arrow.
Last edited by MechEE; Apr 3, 2006 at 04:21 PM.



