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Old Nov 4, 2010 | 09:07 AM
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Given our example of a 4 mph difference, yes, I disagree. There are infinite other variables involved when it comes to the cause of an injury/death on the road. I'd even guess an hour less of sleep would be a more probably cause for an accident than traveling at 4mph faster.

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Does anyone here disagree that greater speed = more inertia = more destructive crashes = more injuries / deaths?
 
Old Nov 4, 2010 | 09:12 AM
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I didn't ask about causes of crashes.

Stay on topic for just once. You've failed to do such yet.

4mph doesn't increase inertia, more destruction, and more injuries/deaths?

Every 10mph faster, a vehicle in motion is traveling with twice the energy and momentum. So at 4mph over the limit, the vehicle will exert 40% more energy on what it strikes and its occupants compared to going the speed limit.

Again, I ask:

Does anyone here disagree that greater speed = more inertia = more destructive crashes = more injuries / deaths?
 
Old Nov 4, 2010 | 09:12 AM
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A PBA is the lamest **** I've heard in a while.

Legal bribes; like thats anything new though......
 
Old Nov 4, 2010 | 09:13 AM
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Here's food for thought:

If it was "all about the money", why do the feds pay for highway studies for the various yearly speed enforcement mobilizations each year, yet they don't get a single penny from the tickets being written?
 
Old Nov 4, 2010 | 09:14 AM
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Legal bribes; like thats anything new though......
I argue that they're not the least bit legal.
 
Old Nov 4, 2010 | 09:15 AM
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Speed hurts. Speed kills.

If you think you're as likely to be uninjured or survive a crash at 74 as you are at 65, you need a check-up from the neck up.

Does anyone have a better way to enforce and deter speed, thereby making the roads safer, other than hitting the wallet?
 

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Old Nov 4, 2010 | 09:27 AM
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And still no real answer on PBA. I will just assume it's the Professional Bowlers Association.
Google is your friend, Even overseas.
 
Old Nov 4, 2010 | 09:43 AM
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I just show my badge. I don't know what this talk about some "card" is....
 
Old Nov 4, 2010 | 09:46 AM
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I understand your point that those 4mph aren't causing the crash, but would escalate the damage in the event of one.

My point is that when it comes to overall safety traveling on the road, 4mph difference is insignificant... and I believe there are other variables that would correlate much greater to the likelihood of an accident/injury. For example, the jerk-off who cut me off nearly bumper-to-bumper just before getting pulled over- I'd argue that was a much more dangerous act than traveling at 9mph above the speed limit.

Now will anyone disagree with this equation??

Less crashes = less destruction = less road injuries/deaths



Originally Posted by G35 Mass
I didn't ask about causes of crashes.

Stay on topic for just once. You've failed to do such yet.

4mph doesn't increase inertia, more destruction, and more injuries/deaths?

Every 10mph faster, a vehicle in motion is traveling with twice the energy and momentum. So at 4mph over the limit, the vehicle will exert 40% more energy on what it strikes and its occupants compared to going the speed limit.

Again, I ask:

Does anyone here disagree that greater speed = more inertia = more destructive crashes = more injuries / deaths?
 
Old Nov 4, 2010 | 09:55 AM
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You are one bad-*** chicken effer.

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I just show my badge. I don't know what this talk about some "card" is....
 
Old Nov 4, 2010 | 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by monteitis
I understand your point that those 4mph aren't causing the crash, but would escalate the damage in the event of one.

My point is that when it comes to overall safety traveling on the road, 4mph difference is insignificant... and I believe there are other variables that would correlate much greater to the likelihood of an accident/injury. For example, the jerk-off who cut me off nearly bumper-to-bumper just before getting pulled over- I'd argue that was a much more dangerous act than traveling at 9mph above the speed limit.
If you weren't going over the speed limit, you wouldn't have been that close to him.
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Now will anyone disagree with this equation??

Less crashes = less destruction = less road injuries/deaths
Motor vehicle crashes are inevitable due to the human factor involved. Therefore, it's our responsibility to make sure these crashes are as least likely as possible to cause serious bodily injury or death. Controlling speed through the enforcement of speed limits is the single best way to keep these crashes from falling into the fatal or serious bodily injury category.
 
Old Nov 4, 2010 | 10:20 AM
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If he hadn't cut me off, I wouldn't have been so close to him. I was going the same speed as the car in front of me, between which the jerk-off squeezed himself.

Again, I understand your point. You're saying they enforce speed limits for the same reason they enforce wearing a seatbelt. I get it, it's all about preventing a fatality in a crash. A crash at some point in your life may be inevitable... however, I think a collective cooperation of common sense, courtesy, and non knucklehead-ness on the road would lead to many less accidents. And so I argue that it is the non-sensible, non-courteous, knuckleheads who should be targeted by officers rather than the guy traveling slightly above the speed limit. Besides, there were plenty of other drivers going 15-20 mph above the speed limit in close proximity. At those speeds, it becomes significantly harder to control the car and react to knuckleheads in a timely manner.



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If you weren't going over the speed limit, you wouldn't have been that close to him.


Motor vehicle crashes are inevitable due to the human factor involved. Therefore, it's our responsibility to make sure these crashes are as least likely as possible to cause serious bodily injury or death. Controlling speed through the enforcement of speed limits is the single best way to keep these crashes from falling into the fatal or serious bodily injury category.
 
Old Nov 4, 2010 | 10:29 AM
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Google is your friend
Let's see, PBA...PBA...

Lead-Acid Battery (PbA)
Palm Beach Atlantic University
Partial-birth abortion or intact dilation and extraction
Philippine Basketball Association
Pseudobulbar affect, the pathological expression of laughter, crying, or smiling

Ah, here it is.

# Patrolmen's/Policemen's Benevolent Association

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Even overseas.
** Goes back off to Google to find the sea between the USA and Canada **
 
Old Nov 4, 2010 | 10:38 AM
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I think you'll understand what I'm saying now, G35 Mass. Two different ways of looking at it, I suppose. Of course higher speeds cause more serious injury, and more knucklehead driving causes more accidents. The worst is a high-speed knucklehead.
 
Old Nov 4, 2010 | 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by G35 Mass
Speed hurts. Speed kills.

If you think you're as likely to be uninjured or survive a crash at 74 as you are at 65, you need a check-up from the neck up.

Does anyone have a better way to enforce and deter speed, thereby making the roads safer, other than hitting the wallet?
Sure.

Increase driver education and make the exam harder...Hell actually it's not even an exam. Anybody and everybody gets a license.

Imposing artificially low speed limits doesn't solve anything. The limit on the NJTPKE is 65 most of the time and everyone does 85 usually. Now that's what I call enforcement that works. Accidents don't happen because somebody was doing 74 instead of 65...but because somebody made an error in judgment...cut somebody off etc etc.

Until the deplorable state of the roads is improved as well as driver education increased speeding fines remain a way of collecting money just like red light cameras etc.
 


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